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adiyen anandavalli dasan.
Please forgive me if I am offending anyone or
being presumptive...no such intent.

"iruppidam vaikuntam" this is the essence...
there is no torment here other than being separated
from HIM and not being able to enjoy HIM more than
what adiyen is able to.
Everything else is my own making.
So what if adiyen does not have lot more money
adiyen has Niagra Falls, mountains and nectar like
stories of Udayavar, ThiruMangai, Gita, Swamy Desikan,
Jagat Guru AdiShankara and ad infinitum to this list.
The problem is then how to find vaikuntam here and
start enjoying. 
(1) First step is to recognize there is
a problem within us
(2) out of sincere contrition try
to see through that enveloping avidya and
(3) start
enjoying what is awaiting us here and now in various
divya desams.
Do we know better than our Azwars who have repeatedly
said.. do not want that Sri Vaikuntam when I can be
here as a stepping stone or a fish in the pond
Kulasekhara Azwar and 
of course the famous pacchai maamalar pol pasuram.

Therefore, adiyen feels and opines that misery
or the torment that we experience is not existent.
We just do not have the mental maturity to say
I have had enough and feel do not need more..
the moment something appears good we want that
and there desire sets in and follows all the torment
swamin has mentioned.

Listen to Ramanuja Nootrandi and cry with it. You will
feel strong as one who has a million dollars. Sing
Periazwar pasuram and experience a billion more.
At the top, attempt Nammazwar Sooz Visumbu pasuram
and experience heaven right here. Is that not why
Swamy Sadagopan wrote it for our anubhavam. Or was
HE taking notes so HE can review it for a test later?
precisely for us to enjoy. If we do not want to
venture
there who is at fault. All our torments are our own
making. Sriman Narayana has given everything we need
to enjoy here and be happy. We create rules, we break
them. We set standards and we do not attempt enough to
reach it..
Climb the hills of Thiruvengadamudayan by foot,
pausing on each step with a pasuram or two from 4000
DP. Between 4 AM and 8 AM ..or go to Badri to enjoy
what our Lord has given us. Read Gita and forget
yourself. All our torments will vanish.

We need better eyes and
better percept to go after these than others.
that is our problem. we dwell on small and petty
differences.
Namo Narayana!
Matrondum illai!

--- Narender Reddy <reddynp@xxxx> wrote:
> Dear Bhagavatas:
> The point raised, I believe, is that God has no need
> to "desire". 
> (avaapta samasta kaama:).Why should he "desire"
> anything at all?.
> Does this not amount to God's deriving a sadistic
> pleasure in making 
> jeevas to play a role and seek to torment them for
> such role 
> if does not fit into his regimen (Sastras)
> This has not been answered.
> Can anyone address this specific question?
> Moderator
>
========================================================================
> Jai Sriman Narayana!
> 
> We are the children of God (Sriman Narayana). He is
> all potent and independent. However, we the jiva
> athmas are dependent on Him. This Leela Vibhoothi
> (play ground for God), is like an amusement park for
> us and this amusement park (Leela Vibhoothi)
> provides
> us with a false sense of independence and transient
> (temporary) happiness. Although the sastras do not
> point out why we are here, they point out that we
> have
> been here since time immemorial. My feeling is that
> we
> wanted to visit this like children want to visit a
> magic show or some ammusement park. Some times a
> child
> may want to dress like the presedent and imitate
> him,
> or dress like the mother and imitate her, etc. 
> 
> At the beginning when we entered our first body for
> the first time, we perhaps did not get attached to
> the
> body but later we got attached to the body after
> living in it for some time. Then the karma came
> in,
> we have been going through thousands of bodies and
> life cycles.
> We are supposed to be instruments of God, mere
> actors
> but we got attached to the characters and fell in to
> the bounds of karma. I heard of a story about a
> play
> in which the person who was playing as Lakshmana got
> so immersed into the play that he physically cut the
> nose of the actor who was playing as surpanaka. If
> the
> plays directed by orinary humans can be such
> immersing
> then think of how immersing can be the play of Lord
> Sriman Narayana. Only He can show our real identyity
> and guide us out.
> 
> The question at this point should be how to get out
> of
> it, rather than how we got into it. The portion of
> the
> Vedas in the leela vibhoothi therefore do not talk
> about how we got into this samsara; they only talk
> about how we can get out of samsara. 
> 
> In the service of Lord Sri Venkateswara, I remain,
> 
> Sincerely
> Narender Reddy
> 
> 
> --- Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Bhagavatas:
> > 
> > "Jaya Krishna" <jkdevaki@xxxx
> > has posted this interesting question. I would
> > request the members to provide 
> > a suitable answer to the query. Thanks.
> > Dasoham
> > Anbil Ramaswamy
> >
>
=================================================================
> > 
> > Om Namo NaArayanaya
> > 
> > Dear Devotees,
> > 
> > I introduce myself as a Graduate from IIT Madras
> and
> > have been working with 
> > TCS. I hail from a Vasihnavite family.
> > 
> > Much as I tried to understand the Tatva of Lord,
> my
> > thoughts are coming to 
> > halt at a point.
> > 
> > I understood that we need to pray God (Bhakthi)
> and
> > surrender (prapatti) 
> > ourselves at His Holy feet. He removes all the
> > difficulties of SamsaAra 
> > (Death and Rebirth) and makes us as His eternal
> > servants in the Paramapada 
> > to enjoy the permanant bliss.
> > 
> > My doubt is...what might be the reason for this
> > Entire Creation/Destruction 
> > of God. If we assume this (creation/destruction)
> as
> > God's 'Iccha' or 
> > 'Leela', being God, He himself should not have any
> > desires as He is 'poorna 
> > purusha'! Is n't it? Hence, if there is no
> > creation at all, there arises 
> > no question of destruction, clinging of our souls
> in
> > Samsara and other 
> > things. He creates us, makes us to enjoy the
> 'karma
> > phalam', realise Him and 
> > then do service to Him. Why God is doing all this?
> 
> > Why the souls are being 
> > placed (in the body) and destroyed (removed from
> the
> > body) repeatedly due to 
> > Karma? Why can't God stop this creation at some
> > point of time so that no 
> > question of Karma/Liberation of souls would not
> > arise?
> > 
> > I may be asking this question out of sheer
> ignorance
> > as am a 
> > beginner/learner of Sri Vaishnava Samparadayam. 
> > Please correct me in this 
> > regard. Adiyen humbly requests all the devottes to
> > help him in this regard.
> > 
> > Pranamams,
> > 
> > Jayakrishna DaAsan.
> > 
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