"At the beginning when we entered our first body for the first time" as far as i know, there is no first even for JEEVATMA. like paramatma jeevatma is also anadhi. please correct me if i am wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Narender Reddy" <reddynp@xxxx> To: "Ram Anbil" <Ramanbil@xxxx>; <Srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Jaya Krishna" <jkdevaki@xxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Is not God above desire? Why then a desire for "Leela"? > Dear Bhagavatas: > The point raised, I believe, is that God has no need to "desire". > (avaapta samasta kaama:).Why should he "desire" anything at all?. > Does this not amount to God's deriving a sadistic pleasure in making > jeevas to play a role and seek to torment them for such role > if does not fit into his regimen (Sastras) > This has not been answered. > Can anyone address this specific question? > Moderator > ======================================================================== > Jai Sriman Narayana! > > We are the children of God (Sriman Narayana). He is > all potent and independent. However, we the jiva > athmas are dependent on Him. This Leela Vibhoothi > (play ground for God), is like an amusement park for > us and this amusement park (Leela Vibhoothi) provides > us with a false sense of independence and transient > (temporary) happiness. Although the sastras do not > point out why we are here, they point out that we have > been here since time immemorial. My feeling is that we > wanted to visit this like children want to visit a > magic show or some ammusement park. Some times a child > may want to dress like the presedent and imitate him, > or dress like the mother and imitate her, etc. > > At the beginning when we entered our first body for > the first time, we perhaps did not get attached to the > body but later we got attached to the body after > living in it for some time. Then the karma came in, > we have been going through thousands of bodies and > life cycles. > We are supposed to be instruments of God, mere actors > but we got attached to the characters and fell in to > the bounds of karma. I heard of a story about a play > in which the person who was playing as Lakshmana got > so immersed into the play that he physically cut the > nose of the actor who was playing as surpanaka. If the > plays directed by orinary humans can be such immersing > then think of how immersing can be the play of Lord > Sriman Narayana. Only He can show our real identyity > and guide us out. > > The question at this point should be how to get out of > it, rather than how we got into it. The portion of the > Vedas in the leela vibhoothi therefore do not talk > about how we got into this samsara; they only talk > about how we can get out of samsara. > > In the service of Lord Sri Venkateswara, I remain, > > Sincerely > Narender Reddy > > > --- Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxx> wrote: > > Dear Bhagavatas: > > > > "Jaya Krishna" <jkdevaki@xxxx > > has posted this interesting question. I would > > request the members to provide > > a suitable answer to the query. Thanks. > > Dasoham > > Anbil Ramaswamy > > > ================================================================= > > > > Om Namo NaArayanaya > > > > Dear Devotees, > > > > I introduce myself as a Graduate from IIT Madras and > > have been working with > > TCS. I hail from a Vasihnavite family. > > > > Much as I tried to understand the Tatva of Lord, my > > thoughts are coming to > > halt at a point. > > > > I understood that we need to pray God (Bhakthi) and > > surrender (prapatti) > > ourselves at His Holy feet. He removes all the > > difficulties of SamsaAra > > (Death and Rebirth) and makes us as His eternal > > servants in the Paramapada > > to enjoy the permanant bliss. > > > > My doubt is...what might be the reason for this > > Entire Creation/Destruction > > of God. If we assume this (creation/destruction) as > > God's 'Iccha' or > > 'Leela', being God, He himself should not have any > > desires as He is 'poorna > > purusha'! Is n't it? Hence, if there is no > > creation at all, there arises > > no question of destruction, clinging of our souls in > > Samsara and other > > things. He creates us, makes us to enjoy the 'karma > > phalam', realise Him and > > then do service to Him. Why God is doing all this? > > Why the souls are being > > placed (in the body) and destroyed (removed from the > > body) repeatedly due to > > Karma? Why can't God stop this creation at some > > point of time so that no > > question of Karma/Liberation of souls would not > > arise? > > > > I may be asking this question out of sheer ignorance > > as am a > > beginner/learner of Sri Vaishnava Samparadayam. > > Please correct me in this > > regard. Adiyen humbly requests all the devottes to > > help him in this regard. > > > > Pranamams, > > > > Jayakrishna DaAsan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! 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