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"At the beginning when we entered our first body for
the first time"
as far as i know, there is no first even for JEEVATMA. like paramatma
jeevatma is also anadhi.
please correct me if i am wrong.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Narender Reddy" <reddynp@xxxx>
To: "Ram Anbil" <Ramanbil@xxxx>; <Srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Jaya
Krishna" <jkdevaki@xxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Is not God above desire? Why then a desire for
"Leela"?


> Dear Bhagavatas:
> The point raised, I believe, is that God has no need to "desire".
> (avaapta samasta kaama:).Why should he "desire" anything at all?.
> Does this not amount to God's deriving a sadistic pleasure in making
> jeevas to play a role and seek to torment them for such role
> if does not fit into his regimen (Sastras)
> This has not been answered.
> Can anyone address this specific question?
> Moderator
> ========================================================================
> Jai Sriman Narayana!
>
> We are the children of God (Sriman Narayana). He is
> all potent and independent. However, we the jiva
> athmas are dependent on Him. This Leela Vibhoothi
> (play ground for God), is like an amusement park for
> us and this amusement park (Leela Vibhoothi) provides
> us with a false sense of independence and transient
> (temporary) happiness. Although the sastras do not
> point out why we are here, they point out that we have
> been here since time immemorial. My feeling is that we
> wanted to visit this like children want to visit a
> magic show or some ammusement park. Some times a child
> may want to dress like the presedent and imitate him,
> or dress like the mother and imitate her, etc.
>
> At the beginning when we entered our first body for
> the first time, we perhaps did not get attached to the
> body but later we got attached to the body after
> living in it for some time. Then the karma came in,
> we have been going through thousands of bodies and
> life cycles.
> We are supposed to be instruments of God, mere actors
> but we got attached to the characters and fell in to
> the bounds of karma. I heard of a story about a play
> in which the person who was playing as Lakshmana got
> so immersed into the play that he physically cut the
> nose of the actor who was playing as surpanaka. If the
> plays directed by orinary humans can be such immersing
> then think of how immersing can be the play of Lord
> Sriman Narayana. Only He can show our real identyity
> and guide us out.
>
> The question at this point should be how to get out of
> it, rather than how we got into it. The portion of the
> Vedas in the leela vibhoothi therefore do not talk
> about how we got into this samsara; they only talk
> about how we can get out of samsara.
>
> In the service of Lord Sri Venkateswara, I remain,
>
> Sincerely
> Narender Reddy
>
>
> --- Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Bhagavatas:
> >
> > "Jaya Krishna" <jkdevaki@xxxx
> > has posted this interesting question. I would
> > request the members to provide
> > a suitable answer to the query. Thanks.
> > Dasoham
> > Anbil Ramaswamy
> >
> =================================================================
> >
> > Om Namo NaArayanaya
> >
> > Dear Devotees,
> >
> > I introduce myself as a Graduate from IIT Madras and
> > have been working with
> > TCS. I hail from a Vasihnavite family.
> >
> > Much as I tried to understand the Tatva of Lord, my
> > thoughts are coming to
> > halt at a point.
> >
> > I understood that we need to pray God (Bhakthi) and
> > surrender (prapatti)
> > ourselves at His Holy feet. He removes all the
> > difficulties of SamsaAra
> > (Death and Rebirth) and makes us as His eternal
> > servants in the Paramapada
> > to enjoy the permanant bliss.
> >
> > My doubt is...what might be the reason for this
> > Entire Creation/Destruction
> > of God. If we assume this (creation/destruction) as
> > God's 'Iccha' or
> > 'Leela', being God, He himself should not have any
> > desires as He is 'poorna
> > purusha'! Is n't it? Hence, if there is no
> > creation at all, there arises
> > no question of destruction, clinging of our souls in
> > Samsara and other
> > things. He creates us, makes us to enjoy the 'karma
> > phalam', realise Him and
> > then do service to Him. Why God is doing all this?
> > Why the souls are being
> > placed (in the body) and destroyed (removed from the
> > body) repeatedly due to
> > Karma? Why can't God stop this creation at some
> > point of time so that no
> > question of Karma/Liberation of souls would not
> > arise?
> >
> > I may be asking this question out of sheer ignorance
> > as am a
> > beginner/learner of Sri Vaishnava Samparadayam.
> > Please correct me in this
> > regard. Adiyen humbly requests all the devottes to
> > help him in this regard.
> >
> > Pranamams,
> >
> > Jayakrishna DaAsan.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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