--- In SriRangaSri@xxxx, Rajagopalan Iyengar <mayuramtsr@xxxx> wrote: > Secondly stones, lump of mud, pot etc are achethanams > or jada. But in the Vishnuputanam, in the story of > moksham of Dadhipandan, we find the pot was given > moksham. If so, can achethanam also get moksham? Or > is it to be taken as poetic fallacy? These are important issues that must be properly understood only by careful study under a qualified Acharya. This exact matter was discussed by Srimad Azhagiya Singar during the tele-upanyasam of Thirunedundandagam, Pasuram #2. Let me try to present a gist based on my recollection. Any object that has a unique name and a form has a jIvatma in it. When that object loses the form it loses its name, and the jIvatma that resided in it transmigrates to the next birth. For example, let us take a neem tree. It has a jIvatma in it. Suppose that the tree dies and whithers away. It is no longer a neem tree, it is just a stump. The jIvatma that was in it has now departed. Another example, consider a human with a name say, Rama. At the time of death the jIvathma leaves the body. The body now loses its name, it is no longer called Rama. Further, it also loses form. In a similar fashion, a pot when in the form of a pot has the name "pot" and has a jIvatma in it. When the pot breaks, the jIvatma departs from the pot. The broken pieces do not have a unique form or a name. It becomes part of panca bootham. At that stage it does not have a jIvatma in it, like in the case of a dead human body. As lump of mud there is no jivatma in it, but when given the shape of pot a jIvatma begins its residence in it. A stone has no jIvatma, but when you build a house with it, there is a jIvatma in the house. A tree has jIvatma, but when it is felled, the jivatma departs. If the wood is then made into a doll, the doll will then have a jIvatma in it. If the doll is broken, the jIvatma departs. In all these cases, like in the case of human beings and animals, we must distingish between the acetanam which is the body, and the cetanam that is the jIvatma. Our body is as much an acetanam as the doll. The jIvatma inside the doll is as much a chetanam as the jIvatma inside our body. Now, in the case of Dadhipandan, he was the jIvatma in the pot. Since he was granted moksham by Lord Krishna, when he left the pot, he got moksham. The pot did not get moksham, only the jIvatma in the pot got it. This is no different from human beings, when a human being who is a prapanna dies, it is only the jIvatma who goes to mOksham, not the body of the human being. If you are interested in learning about such matters consdider attending Srimad Azhagiya Singar's tele-upanyasam. The next one is scheduled for two weeks from this Saturday. For more information and for registering please visit: http://www.ahobilamutt.org/upan/upanyas.asp -- dileepan p.s. Things correctly stated here are due to the grace of Srimad Azhagiya Singar. If there are any errors they are due to my misunderstanding.
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