Tell me about ι̯. Is this a theoretical construct that is useful to explain morphological patterns, or something that once existed in Greek?Class III: Iota Class
359. Class III constitutes a large group of verbs which add ι̯ to the verb stem to form the present tense stem. ι̯ here is a semi-vowel and occasions certain phonetic changes. A rather large subclass consists of verbs with stems ending in δ: -δι̯ between vowels becomes ζ: the present stem will therefore end in a vowel followed by ζ, the variable vowel and personal ending joined to that, e.g. ἑτοιμάζω; verb stem ἑτοιμαζ-. In the other tense stems, δ before σ (future, aorist) and κ (perfect) disappears, δ before μ (perfect middle) and θ (aorist passive) becomes σ.
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From Funk's grammar:
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: ι̯
I'd say it's both. We don't have direct literary or epigraphic evidence for it (except intervocalically in Linear B), but sister Indo-European languages sometimes attest the *y.
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Re: ι̯
For clarification's sake, I might note that Latin has essentiailly five different verb conjugations; three of them are vocalic stems in long-A (first conjugation), long-E, (second conjugation) and long-I (fourth conjugation); the Latin third conjugation groups together two verb-types that are really quite different from each other: (a) consonant stems with a variable vowel (u/i <-- o/e) that correspond to Greek thematic verbs with a variable vowel (ο/ε), and (b) short-I vowel stems corresponding to the Greek yod/ι̯-stems (cap-io, cup-io, fug-io)Stephen Carlson wrote:I'd say it's both. We don't have direct literary or epigraphic evidence for it (except intervocalically in Linear B), but sister Indo-European languages sometimes attest the *y.
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
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ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
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Re: ι̯
A few days ago Jonathan referred to Funk's grammar
If you're interested but don't have easy access to these, let me know. There was a brief discussion of these things back in 2003, see http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... 25889.html
Alex Hopkins
Melbourne, Australia
and asked,Class III: Iota Class
359. Class III constitutes a large group of verbs which add ι̯ to the verb stem to form the present tense stem. ι̯ here is a semi-vowel and occasions certain phonetic changes. A rather large subclass consists of verbs with stems ending in δ: -δι̯ between vowels becomes ζ: the present stem will therefore end in a vowel followed by ζ, the variable vowel and personal ending joined to that, e.g. ἑτοιμάζω; verb stem ἑτοιμαζ-. In the other tense stems, δ before σ (future, aorist) and κ (perfect) disappears, δ before μ (perfect middle) and θ (aorist passive) becomes σ.
I'm not sure if you have access to Carl Darling Buck's The Greek Dialects, where there's some information at #56 (p52), and in his Comparative Greek and Latin Grammar there is a particularly useful discussion at #360 (pp261-3) (and see also the previous section).Tell me about ι̯. Is this a theoretical construct that is useful to explain morphological patterns, or something that once existed in Greek?
If you're interested but don't have easy access to these, let me know. There was a brief discussion of these things back in 2003, see http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... 25889.html
Alex Hopkins
Melbourne, Australia
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Re: ι̯
Jonathan Robie wrote:
See Smyth Greek Grammar §29, p 11.
Tell me about ι̯. Is this a theoretical construct that is useful to explain morphological patterns, or something that once existed in Greek?
See Smyth Greek Grammar §29, p 11.
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learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
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