[B-Greek] Mt 9:27

Arie Dirkzwager dirkzwager at pandora.be
Wed Mar 3 14:39:08 EST 2004


Dear Wieland,

I do not see any problem here.
AKOLOUQEW is normally followed by a dative. If you want to realize why, you
can call it an associative instrumental dative. So you have to translate
"they followed Jesus".
If you should add "with", you are hypercorrect in expressing the dative,
which is normal in Greek, in English, where it is redundant.

You can call AUTWi pleonastic. In Germany you would call this type of
expression "salopp". But perhaps AUTWi from the next verse (where the name
Jesus is absent) is the cause why it was added here.

PARAGONTI EKEIQEN is of course "passing on from there". If you would like to
add "as he was", you are only trying to make your language smooth. So there
is no principal difference with the text from Mt 21you mention.

Arie


Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be




----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "Wieland Willker" <willker at chemie.uni-bremen.de>
Aan: "B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Verzonden: woensdag 3 maart 2004 20:03
Onderwerp: [B-Greek] Mt 9:27


> Matthew 9:27 KAI PARAGONTI EKEIQEN TW IHSOU HKOLOUQHSAN [AUTW] DUO
> TUFLOI
>
> Interpreting this as an "associative instrumental dative" we get:
> "And *with* Jesus, passing on from there, followed two blind men."
>
> The AUTW is pleonastic.
>
> But it is also possible to translate (casus obliquus):
> "And two blind men followed Jesus, *as he is* passing on from there"
> as in Mt 21:23
> PROSHLQON AUTW DIDASKONTI OI ARCIEREIS
> "came to him as he was teaching, the chief priests"
>
> Is there a way to tell these apart and makes it a difference at all?
>
> Best wishes
>     Wieland
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