[B-Greek] Rev 3:10

Polycarp66 at aol.com Polycarp66 at aol.com
Sat Mar 13 14:49:07 EST 2004


In a message dated 3/13/2004 1:43:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kopio at comcast.net writes:
I've been looking at this passage for the last couple of days.

REV 3:10  KAGW SE THRHSW EK THS WRAS TOU PEIRASMOU THS MELLOUSHS ERCESQAI
k.t.l.

What I am wondering is how to take the EK THS WRAS....from (as in Jn 17:15)
the hour, or out of the hour.  I am wrestling with this phrase for a term
paper.  I have read a bunch of commentaries, and a good portion of them
disagree (shocking,  I know) with each other.  What I want to know is if any
of you think there is any solid grammatical/syntactical reasons for
preferring one or the other (from or out of).  I would like to keep the
conversation focused on the grammar/syntax and not on the
theological/interpretive issues....although I would gladly accept offlist
replies of that nature.
___________

You might also take a look at Jn 17.15 where a very similar construction is 
used

OUK ERWTW hINA ARHiS AUTOUS EK TOU KOSMOU, ALL' hINA THRHSHiS AUTOUS EK TOU 
PONHROU

Also, a related concept is in the Pater Noster in Mt 6 although the 
preposition there is APO rather than EK.

KAI MH EISENEGKHiS hHMAS EIS PEIRASMON,
ALLA hRUSAI hHMAS APO TOU PONHROU.

With the verb THREW I would be inclined to understand it as "keep from."  
With the verb hRUOMAI I would be inclined to understand it as "deliver us OUT OF."

gfsomsel



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