[B-Greek] translation of Urim and Thummim in LXX?

Arie Dirkzwager dirkzwager at pandora.be
Fri Mar 19 15:32:25 EST 2004


The tau was the last letter.
The old Phoenician alphabet can be found on
http://www.proel.org/alfabetos/fenicio.html

Arie

Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be

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Onderwerp: Re: [B-Greek] translation of Urim and Thummim in LXX?


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> Probably, from what I understand. I.e., "from aleph to tau" in Hebrew
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> I have a side question here. I know aleph is the first letter of the Hebew
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> Remember at the time the urim and thummin would have been made, the Jews
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> Freedman's description of the urim and thummim sounds Suspiciously like
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> Magic Eight Ball. I Wonder if this is where the manufacturer got its idea?
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> John Byron Ph.D.
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> >>> Eric Weiss <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com> 03/19/04 08:52AM >>>
> If I recall correctly, David Noel Freedman, in his fascinating and
> fun-to-read book THE NINE COMMANDMENTS, says that they were likely two
> stones with aleph on one side and tau on the other. (The Hebrew words urim
> and thummim begin, respectively, with the letters aleph and tau.) A toss
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> throw of the stones would give four possible combinations:
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> aleph - aleph
> aleph - tau
> tau - aleph
> tau - tau
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> In other words, agreement or disagreement, or "yes," "no," and "maybe."
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> Eric S. Weiss
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