[B-Greek] Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38

kgraham0938 at comcast.net kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Wed Sep 17 23:09:00 EDT 2008


 
Mark 16:16 hO PISTEUSAS KAI BAPTISQEIS SWQHSETAI hO DE APISTHSAS KATAKRIQHSETAI 
I would take both aorist participles as adjectival and both are governed by the article.  Meaning the one who believes and is baptized shall be saved.  This usage fits under what is known as the grandville sharp rule, although not everyone believes in this rule.
Acts 2:38PETROS DE PROS AUTOUS METANOHSATE FHSIN KAI BAPTISQHTW hEKASTOS hUMWN EPI TWi ONOMATI IHSOU CRISTOU EIS AFESIN TWN hAMARTIWN hUMWN KAI LHMYESQE THN DWREAN TOU hAGIOU PNEUMATOS 
Repent is second person plural. BAPTISQHTW  is third singular meaning "be baptized".  EIS AFESIN TWN hAMARTIWN hUMWN should be rendered "for the forgivness of your sins."   I think he is referring to the same group.  If you are wondering if a person needs to be baptized to be saved I don't think Peter is saying that here.  I think he correlates the symbol (immersion) and the spirtual reality together.



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From: brent jobe <bjobe1964 at yahoo.com> 

> Hello. I am a new subscriber and only have some knowledge of Greek; I am a 
> veterinarian by profession. I would deeply appreciate some help with the 
> following two passages: Mark 16:16a and Acts 2:38. I will go as far as I can 
> with them, then hope that the more knowledgable contributors can take me 
> further. I would also be interested in any parallel Greek passages, either 
> sacred or profane, which would further aid in understanding the New Testament 
> Greek. 
> 
> Mark 16:16a 
> 
> ο - definite article, nom sing mas 
> πιστευσας - verb, aorist part, active, nom sing mas 
> και - conjunction (and) 
> βαπτισθεις - verb, aorist part, active, nom sing mas 
> σωθησεται - verb, future passive, third person, sing 
> 
> So my literal translation would be: 
> 
> "He who having believed and having been baptized will be saved." 
> 
> Is this a correct translation? By definition and usage, MUST the actions of the 
> two aorists occur prior to the action of the main verb? Is it grammatically 
> possible that either aorist could occur subsequent to the action of the main 
> verb? Would it ever be possible to construe the Greek grammar to mean either, 
> "He that believeth shall be saved, then is baptized?" or "He that is baptized 
> shall be saved, then believe?" And finally, are there any writings from the 
> period which would strengthen or weaken either position? That is as far as I 
> can go with the verse, and appreciate, in advance, any additional insight. 
> 
> As to Acts 2:38, I will not follow the same pattern; I shall only ask a few 
> English questions which can be answered by the Greek. 
> 1. Is a correct translation of μετανοησατε "Ye or you repent."? And 
> is this second person, plural? 
> 2. Is a correct translation of βαπτισθητω "Be immersed."? 
> 3. Is a correct translation of εκαστος υμων "Each one of you," with 
> εκαστος being a singular masculine adjective "each" or "every" and the 
> noun (one) being understood, implied, or supplied for clarity? 
> 4. Is υμων (tranlated you), a second person plural pronoun? 
> 5. In the original Greek, did μετανοησατε and εκαστος 
> υμων refer to exactly the same group of people, based upon the context and 
> normal usage of Greek at that time? Or is Peter referring to two different 
> groups of people? 
> 6. Is βαπτισθητω third person, singular? 
> 7. Does the phrase "εις αφεσιν αμαρτιων" - (I would translate 
> "into or unto the forgiveness of sins") apply with equal force to (I will switch 
> to English) "Ye repent" and "let be baptized every one of you"? In other words, 
> with consideration to the original Greek construction, does "into the 
> forgiveness of sins" contingent or predicated upon both repentance and baptism? 
> Or does "into the forgiveness of sins" answer to only "Ye repent"? Or does it 
> answer to only "let be baptized every one of you."? Or both? The changes from 
> masculine to feminine and singular to plural confuse me, and I do not know all 
> the rules and variations. 
> 
> ANY help that one or more of the Greek scholars can give me - pointing out my 
> mistakes does not bother me a bit - and I simply find great interest in similar 
> or parallel passages from the same time period. Thank you. 
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> Brent Jobe, DVM 
> 
> 
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