[B-Greek] Greek NT audio

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 21 09:54:17 EDT 2008


There is a great deal more complete than simply Matthew.  The gospels are complete.  Acts is mostly complete (25 caps).  It appears that the rest of the NT (Romans-Revelation) is complete.  I wouldn't classify this as Erasmian.  I think it is probably more correctly a modified modern pronunciation.
 george
gfsomsel 


… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


- Jan Hus
_________ 



----- Original Message ----
From: Louis Sorenson <llsorenson at hotmail.com>
To: B-Greek List mail to all <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com>; David McKay <davidmckay52 at gmail.com>; Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:41:18 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Greek NT audio

Hello all,


The following audio recordings of some or all the GNT are available. Are there any I am missing? 


(Erasmian, good flow, Matthew, more to
come)  J. Simon http://www.greeklatinaudio.com/ 











I would encourage all on the list to take time to add an aural element
to their Greek learning. I'm planning on making a cd-rom for my commute using several of the recordings regardless of the 'dialect' (i.e. Erasmian,
Restored Attic, Living Koine or Modern Greek); the mind is usually able
to follow along with a little conditioning.  I have found one of the harder elements in listening
- at least in the early stages - is the speed of the speaker. Too fast
- and it easily goes over one's head. The plateau to which one should
aspire is to listen without reading the text. If you can hear it and
follow mentally, you know you are making progress.


The b-Greek archives have a lot of content on pronunciation (at least one thread a month).  It seems that the hardest element of restoring a non-spoken dialect is 1) consistency in pronunciation and 2) the accent of the speaker. The modern Greek recordings do not have the consistency issue.  Most of the criticisms that have been mentioned in posts are that a speaker is inconsistent in pronunciation of certain vowels, miss accents, ignore word groups and read without meaning.

As a fan of Dr. Buth's pronunciation system, and from my experience both trying to record Epictetus' Enchiridion and  teach a beginning Greek class, I have become acutely aware of my inconsistencies.  As in life, you become what you surround yourself with - both my sisters have moved south (TN, SC), and their pure Minnesota English non-accent is now corrupt.  So what we need is a freely available, solid, consistent, recording of the Greek New Testament from multiple speakers - all speaking the same Koine dialect. Someone on the list once mentioned creating a dramatized Greek NT, such a feat would require multiple speakers.

So I suggest that those fans of either system out there record 1 John 1 (epistolary), Matthew 5:1-17 (monologue) and Matthew 27:11-31 (dialogue). It would be a great exercise for those who want to add speaking and listening to their skills.  Such an activity in surely not a part of any existing curriculum, is it? We could all be graded by our peers, should we post them - which would help one know what they are doing right or wrong.  Perhaps the passages in Mounce's graded reader would be a good place to continue.

Louis Sorenson 


Excerpt from B-Greek Digest, Vol 69, Issue 19, Message 12

David McKay: G'day folks.
I've discovered a new readign of the Greek NT, but so far only Matthew is
finished.
See http://www.davidpfield.com/audio-gnt/Gospels-Acts/Gospels-Acts.htm
I'd be interested in what you think of the pronunciation and quality of
reading.

Mark Lightman: I would say that this new recording is the best I've heard.? Usually women
> read NT Greek better than men, but this is an exception.
> ?
> If Randall is advising us to wait until we have more perfect NT Greek to
> listen to I suspect we will be waiting a while.? I think the best solution
> is to record your own, very slow and then you can edit out obvious mistakes.
> ?
> I listen to Pennington a lot while I am doing the dishes, despite all his 
> flaws.? I know about the studies that stress the importance of audio
> learning, but in my case I suspect that all my listening has not really
> improved my Greek much.?


Randall Buth: Finally, I had to stop listening. It has taken me too long to clean up my
> own Greek and to correctly accent words when I speak. Listening to the
> concatenation of misaccentuations were more than distracting.
> 
> One of the things that I have learned while speaking Greek is the importance
> of the accent for the overall word shape and for understanding flowing
> speech. When the accent is off, one's ears do not correctly break up the
> words, communication fails. The same thing happens today in Greece.
> If you misaccent a word communication will often fail. And vocabulary is
> harder to remember with multiple misaccents, and the GRAMMAR is
> miscommunicated when accents don't shift according to the Greek.
> It is easier to recognize a correctly accented word with an incorrect vowel,
> than to recognize a mis-accented word with the correct vowel.
> 
> It is good to listen to Greek, but it needs to be correctly read. I don't
> mind
> listening to a well-read restored-Attic poem, even enjoy it for a change of
> pace. Of course, restored Attic (which this reading is not), is the wrong
> dialect for Koine.
> Yes, I would advise anyone who undertakes the arduous task of fixing
> their ears and language after years of bad habits to consider the
> KOINH PROSFORA notes on our website ('courses', 'Greek demo').
> But even more importantly, everyone needs to get started.
> For that the reader is a sterling example and should receive KUDOS
> (OK that's not a very KOINH word, either. It's Epic Greek.)
> 
> ERRWSQE
> IWANHS
> 
> -- 
> Randall Buth, PhD
> www.biblicalulpan.org
> randallbuth at gmail.com
> Biblical Language Center
> Learn Easily - Progress Further - Remember for Life


_________________________________________________________________
Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.
http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008
---
B-Greek home page: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek
B-Greek mailing list
B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek



      


More information about the B-Greek mailing list