[B-Greek] Greek NT audio
Suttles, Andrew C. (GRC-DSI0)
Andrew.C.Suttles at nasa.gov
Mon Sep 22 07:40:29 EDT 2008
Dr. Sorenson -
I ordered audio GNT CDs from the following site and have enjoyed them
(though other 'bgreek'ers are not as enthusiastic as I am).
http://audiohebrewgreekbible.com/home
Andrew Suttles
Cleveland, OH
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>[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Louis Sorenson
>Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:41 AM
>To: B-Greek List mail to all; Randall Buth; David McKay; Mark Lightman
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Greek NT audio
>
>Hello all,
>
>
>The following audio recordings of some or all the GNT are
>available. Are there any I am missing?
>
>
> Marilyn
>Pheister http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/gnt/mp3/
>(Erasmian, no flow, Wescott-Hort full NT) David Field
>http://www.davidpfield.com/audio-gnt/Gospels-Acts/Gospels-Acts.htm
> (Erasmian, good flow, Matthew, more to
>come) J. Simon http://www.greeklatinaudio.com/ Modern Greek,
>good flow and phraseology, very fast. Spiros Zodhiates
>http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=57
>1492#curr
> (Modern Greek, Nestle Aland 26, $78, cd only; good reviews,
>clear and methodic pronunciation) Jonathan Pennington
>Zondervan (http://www.talking-book-store.com/title.aspx?titleId=10444
>; 1st John, Sermon on the Mount, all passages in Mounce's
>graded reader.
>Erasmian, Slow, methodic with fairly good phrasing) Randall Buth
>http://www.biblicalulpan.org/Sound_files/1John1.MP3 Living
>Koine (restored 1st century pronunciation) 1 John 1. Smooth,
>good flow and phraseology. Good speed - quick, but not excessively.
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>I would encourage all on the list to take time to add an aural element
>to their Greek learning. I'm planning on making a cd-rom for
>my commute using several of the recordings regardless of the
>'dialect' (i.e. Erasmian,
>Restored Attic, Living Koine or Modern Greek); the mind is usually able
>to follow along with a little conditioning. I have found one
>of the harder elements in listening
>- at least in the early stages - is the speed of the speaker. Too fast
>- and it easily goes over one's head. The plateau to which one should
>aspire is to listen without reading the text. If you can hear it and
>follow mentally, you know you are making progress.
>
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>The b-Greek archives have a lot of content on pronunciation
>(at least one thread a month). It seems that the hardest
>element of restoring a non-spoken dialect is 1) consistency in
>pronunciation and 2) the accent of the speaker. The modern
>Greek recordings do not have the consistency issue. Most of
>the criticisms that have been mentioned in posts are that a
>speaker is inconsistent in pronunciation of certain vowels,
>miss accents, ignore word groups and read without meaning.
>
>As a fan of Dr. Buth's pronunciation system, and from my
>experience both trying to record Epictetus' Enchiridion and
>teach a beginning Greek class, I have become acutely aware of
>my inconsistencies. As in life, you become what you surround
>yourself with - both my sisters have moved south (TN, SC), and
>their pure Minnesota English non-accent is now corrupt. So
>what we need is a freely available, solid, consistent,
>recording of the Greek New Testament from multiple speakers -
>all speaking the same Koine dialect. Someone on the list once
>mentioned creating a dramatized Greek NT, such a feat would
>require multiple speakers.
>
>So I suggest that those fans of either system out there record
>1 John 1 (epistolary), Matthew 5:1-17 (monologue) and Matthew
>27:11-31 (dialogue). It would be a great exercise for those
>who want to add speaking and listening to their skills. Such
>an activity in surely not a part of any existing curriculum,
>is it? We could all be graded by our peers, should we post
>them - which would help one know what they are doing right or
>wrong. Perhaps the passages in Mounce's graded reader would
>be a good place to continue.
>
>Louis Sorenson
>
>
>Excerpt from B-Greek Digest, Vol 69, Issue 19, Message 12
>
>David McKay: G'day folks.
> I've discovered a new readign of the Greek NT, but so far
>only Matthew is
> finished.
> See http://www.davidpfield.com/audio-gnt/Gospels-Acts/Gospels-Acts.htm
> I'd be interested in what you think of the pronunciation and
>quality of
> reading.
>
>Mark Lightman: I would say that this new recording is the best
>I've heard.? Usually women
>> read NT Greek better than men, but this is an exception.
>> ?
>> If Randall is advising us to wait until we have more perfect
>NT Greek to
>> listen to I suspect we will be waiting a while.? I think the
>best solution
>> is to record your own, very slow and then you can edit out
>obvious mistakes.
>> ?
>> I listen to Pennington a lot while I am doing the dishes,
>despite all his
>> flaws.? I know about the studies that stress the importance of audio
>> learning, but in my case I suspect that all my listening has
>not really
>> improved my Greek much.?
>
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>Randall Buth: Finally, I had to stop listening. It has taken
>me too long to clean up my
>> own Greek and to correctly accent words when I speak.
>Listening to the
>> concatenation of misaccentuations were more than distracting.
>>
>> One of the things that I have learned while speaking Greek
>is the importance
>> of the accent for the overall word shape and for
>understanding flowing
>> speech. When the accent is off, one's ears do not correctly
>break up the
>> words, communication fails. The same thing happens today in Greece.
>> If you misaccent a word communication will often fail. And
>vocabulary is
>> harder to remember with multiple misaccents, and the GRAMMAR is
>> miscommunicated when accents don't shift according to the Greek.
>> It is easier to recognize a correctly accented word with an
>incorrect vowel,
>> than to recognize a mis-accented word with the correct vowel.
>>
>> It is good to listen to Greek, but it needs to be correctly
>read. I don't
>> mind
>> listening to a well-read restored-Attic poem, even enjoy it
>for a change of
>> pace. Of course, restored Attic (which this reading is not),
>is the wrong
>> dialect for Koine.
>> Yes, I would advise anyone who undertakes the arduous task of fixing
>> their ears and language after years of bad habits to consider the
>> KOINH PROSFORA notes on our website ('courses', 'Greek demo').
>> But even more importantly, everyone needs to get started.
>> For that the reader is a sterling example and should receive KUDOS
>> (OK that's not a very KOINH word, either. It's Epic Greek.)
>>
>> ERRWSQE
>> IWANHS
>>
>> --
>> Randall Buth, PhD
>> www.biblicalulpan.org
>> randallbuth at gmail.com
>> Biblical Language Center
>> Learn Easily - Progress Further - Remember for Life
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