[B-Greek] question
Iver Larsen
iver_larsen at sil.org
Tue Mar 9 08:53:26 EST 2010
Since I occasionally disagree with BAGD, I'd like to say that in the vast
majority of cases I do agree with the dictionary.
BAGD says: 1. the inhabited earth, the world—a. as such (Ps 23:1 and often): ...
Lk 4:5. Cf. 21:26; Ro 10:18 (Ps 18:5); Hb 1:6.
A few commentators have taken the position outlined below, but I'll have to
disagree. It fits neither the meaning of this word nor the immediate context.
Heb 1:6 most likely refers to when Jesus as the firstborn Son was brought into
this world. The new world will also be inhabited, but then the author has to
clarify that he is talking about a coming world, and this is what he does in Heb
2:5 in a different context. That Jesus for a while (in his life in this world)
was placed lower than the angels does not mean that the angels did not worship
or honour him as Luke 2 exemplifies. A thorough discussion of exegetical options
goes beyond the scope of this list, but any exegesis should be based on what the
word actually means. The translators of the NET have apparently decided that it
refers to the second coming of Jesus into this world, based on PALIN, but they
do use the English "world" as every other translation does, and I do not think
one is justified to add "heavenly" or "above" to a translation of this verse.
Iver Larsen
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> While I agree with Carl that OIKOUMENH in standard Koine Greek usage means
> "the inhabited world" and that in many cases it refers to the Roman Empire
> (BAGD 561), in the text cited it is a term suited to the Son's reign. Yet
> here it is not referring to the earth. When the writer of Hebrews speaks of
> the present world he uses a different term (KOSMOS, 4:3; 9:26; 10:5; 11:7,
> 38). The language he uses here is drawn from Exodus, where OIKOUMENH refers to
> the promised land, which in Heb 4:1-11 is a description of the world to come.
> So in the text:
> Heb. 1:6 ὅταν δὲ πάλιν εἰσαγάγῃ τὸν πρωτότοκον εἰς τὴν οἰκουμένην, λέγει·
> καὶ προσκυνησάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες ἄγγελοι θεοῦ.
> [hOTAN DE PALIN EISAGAGHi TON PRWTOTOKON EIS THN OIKOUMENHN, LEGEI·
> KAI PROSKUNHSATWSAN AUTWi PANTES AGGELOI QEOU. ]
> OIKOUMENH is referring what the writer of Hebrews says he is talking about in
> this section, "the world to come" in 2:5 Οὐ γὰρ ἀγγέλοις ὑπέταξεν τὴν
> οἰκουμένην τὴν μέλλουσαν, περὶ ἧς λαλοῦμεν. OU GAR IGLOOS hUPETAXEN THN
> OIKOUMENHN THN MELLOUSAN PERI hHS LALOUMEN. Christ's entrance into the KOSMOS
> in his incarnation entailed being made "lower than the angels (2:7,9), but, as
> Lane argued, his entrance into the heavenly world (1:6) meant exaltation above
> the angels. So, 1:6 is referring to the moment of "coronation" when Jesus was
> presented in heaven "sat down at the right hand" of God and not to the moment
> of incarnation. So, given all the references to angels, God, spirits and the
> rest in this scene, one could do worse that translate "heavenly world" or "the
> world above."
>
> Yancy Smith, PhD
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> On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:53 AM, Carl Conrad wrote:
>
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 2:33 AM, ray marion wrote:
>>> Hebrews 1:6 has the word "oikoumevnv", I would translate this word as home
>>> or house. Does anyone agree. Please reply.
>>> Written by: Ray
>>
>> Text: Heb. 1:6 ὅταν δὲ πάλιν εἰσαγάγῃ τὸν πρωτότοκον εἰς τὴν οἰκουμένην,
>> λέγει·
>> καὶ προσκυνησάτωσαν αὐτῷ πάντες ἄγγελοι θεοῦ.
>> [hOTAN DE PALIN EISAGAGHi TON PRWTOTOKON EIS THN OIKOUMENHN, LEGEI·
>> KAI PROSKUNHSATWSAN AUTWi PANTES AGGELOI QEOU. ]
>>
>> I don't agree. OIKOUMENH in standard Koine Greek usage means "the inhabited
>> world" --
>> the human realm. It is a participle of the verb OIKEW "inhabit," "make one's
>> dwelling" and
>> pretty clearly originally was understood with a noun GH "land," "earth."
>>
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>>
>>
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