[B-Greek] Mat 8:23 Dative Absolute? (Joseph Justiss)

Randall Buth randallbuth at gmail.com
Thu Mar 25 10:42:24 EDT 2010


Thank you for the clarification question.
Yes, I think that both AYTW's are Matthean,
and the second AYTW is the more redundant. But
Matthean, probably not from a Semitic source.

I checked and read Carl's comment, and it seems that he
was also referring to the second AUTW.
He referred to the first reference,  Mt 8.23,
since Mt 9.27 had also been mentioned in the cited post.

Either AYTW could have been deleted. But deleting both would
have been a tad terse.

ERRWSO
Randall


On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi, Randall,
>
> Carl talks about the first AUTWi maybe being a semitism,
> but does not the SECOND AUTWi look a little like a Hebrew
> resumptive pronoun that Donald brought up?
>
>
> Mark L
>
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/25/10, Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Mat 8:23 Dative Absolute? (Joseph Justiss)
> To: "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 7:41 AM
>
> >In English and Greek, a relative pronoun may be the object of a
> >preposition. This is not the case in Hebrew where, as a rule, the
> >relative pronoun (asher) does not occur as the object of a
> >preposition. "The ground on which you are standing" has to be rendered
> >"the ground that you are standing on it." I'm failing to see this
> >construction in Matt 8:23. Carl, can you clarify where you see it? Or
> >were you thinking of some other construction?
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >Donald R. Vance
>
> shalom Donald,
>
> Last year I had halfway been thinking that we might be seeing you on
> the very lake come next week. Ah well, not to be, and space is full.
>
> On Matthew 8.23 KAI EMBANTI AYTW . . . HKOLOYQHSAN AYTW
> looks like good Greek to me, 'cepting that AYTW wasn't necessary.
> >From patterns that I've seen in the synoptics, I would expect to see
> a parallel in Luke if this potenial redundant AYTW was a Semitism
> from a source. The structure is not coming from Luke, whose story,
> incidently, looks quite Semitic. So I would attribute the dative
> EMBANTI to Matthew as he apparently epitomised the story as
> seen in Mark and Luke. The AYTW is then most probably Matthew's
> Greek.
>
>
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