[B-Greek] Mat 8:23 Dative Absolute? (Joseph Justiss)

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Thu Mar 25 10:54:15 EDT 2010


On Mar 25, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Mark Lightman wrote:
> Hi, Randall,
>  
> Carl talks about the first AUTWi maybe being a semitism,
> but does not the SECOND AUTWi look a little like a Hebrew
> resumptive pronoun that Donald brought up?

What I actually said was:

"At the same time, it might be possible to discern a "Semitism" in the  
first instance (Mt 8:23?), where the second AUTWi might seem redundant (and
indeed is in standard Greek)"

i.e.: first instance, second AUTWi

cwc


> --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Mat 8:23 Dative Absolute? (Joseph Justiss)
> To: "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 7:41 AM
> 
> 
>> In English and Greek, a relative pronoun may be the object of a
>> preposition. This is not the case in Hebrew where, as a rule, the
>> relative pronoun (asher) does not occur as the object of a
>> preposition. "The ground on which you are standing" has to be rendered
>> "the ground that you are standing on it." I'm failing to see this
>> construction in Matt 8:23. Carl, can you clarify where you see it? Or
>> were you thinking of some other construction?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Donald R. Vance
> 
> shalom Donald,
> 
> Last year I had halfway been thinking that we might be seeing you on
> the very lake come next week. Ah well, not to be, and space is full.
> 
> On Matthew 8.23 KAI EMBANTI AYTW . . . HKOLOYQHSAN AYTW
> looks like good Greek to me, 'cepting that AYTW wasn't necessary.
>> From patterns that I've seen in the synoptics, I would expect to see
> a parallel in Luke if this potenial redundant AYTW was a Semitism
> from a source. The structure is not coming from Luke, whose story,
> incidently, looks quite Semitic. So I would attribute the dative
> EMBANTI to Matthew as he apparently epitomised the story as
> seen in Mark and Luke. The AYTW is then most probably Matthew's
> Greek.





Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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