[B-Greek] Jn.4:23,24
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Tue May 4 21:55:44 EDT 2010
Hi, Robert,
This is a good question.
The difference could be understood in terms of a locative (in)
versus an instrumental (with) dative. I just checked the translations
and I was surprised to find that none (except I guess the New World) have "with."
I think John in fact might be making a pun on both uses of EN plus the dative, referring
back to v. 21. It used to be that you had to worship AT some city or
mountain (locative,) but now you can worship ANYWHERE, as long as
you worship WITH (instrumental) the Holy Spirit of Truth. Today's
Modern Greek, as it usually does, offers a nice expansion με (μετα)
τη δυναμη του Πνευματος του αποκαλυπτει την αληθεια. "with the
power of the Spirit which reveals the truth."
As to your second question, I think "God is spirit," "God does not dwell in a certain city," is what is meant
here.
Blessings.
Mark L
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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Subject: [B-Greek] Jn.4:23,24
23. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will
worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to
be His worshipers.
24. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and
truth. (NASB)
23. αλλα ερχεται ωρα και νυν εστιν οτε οι αληθινοι προσκυνηται
προσκυνησουσιν τω πατρι εν πνευματι και αληθεια και γαρ ο πατηρ τοιουτους
ζητει τους προσκυνουντας αυτον 24. πνευμα ο θεος και τους προσκυνουντας
αυτον εν πνευματι και αληθεια δει προσκυνειν (w&h 1881)
What's truer?
- worship Him in spirit
- worship Him with spirit?
- God is spirit ~ (God is light)
- God is a spirit ~ (God is a light)?
What difference do you see by worshipping "in" or "with" spirit?
~ New World Translation = "with" & "a".
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