[B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
Beata Urbanek
beata.urbanek at op.pl
Mon Mar 7 11:11:30 EST 2011
Thanks, George.
I'm not sure I understand this sentence (even with the help of English-Polish dictionary):
"Robertson's 'explanatory' assertion has largely been confirmed as the core constraint of γάρ in modern linguistic treatements."
Could you explain it to me, please?
Beata Urbanek
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From: George F Somsel
To: Beata Urbanek ; B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
4 ὃς πάντας ἀνθρωπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
5 Εἷς γὰρ θεός,
εἷς καὶ μεσίτης θεοῦ καὶ ἀνθρώπων,
ἄνθρωπος Χριστὸς Ἰησοῦς
4 hOS PANTAS ANQRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNWSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN.
5 hEIS GAR QEOS,
hEIS KAI MESITHS QEOU KAI ANQRWPWN,
ANQRWPOS XRISTOS IHSOUS
First, let us dispose of γάρ GAR. I've found Steve Runge's _Discourse Grammar of the Greek New Testament_ to be helpful particularly with regard to some of the conjunctions. He notes that while Wallace and Young indicate that γάρ GAR is both coordinating and subordinating that
"Robertson's 'explanatory' assertion has largely been confirmed as the core constraint of γάρ in modern linguistic treatements."
And,
"Where it occurs in narrative proper, the proposition introduced by γάρ fleshes out some aspect of what precedes. It may be in the form of background information; it may introduce the reason or rationale for some preceding action or state."
Regarding βούλομαι BOULOMAI and θέλω QELW, it seems that the difference BDAG indicates is that θέλω QELW indicates a wish or desire while βούλομαι BOULOMAI not only indicates a desire but a plan. I am not sure that I agree with this -- particularly with regard to this passage. Here it would seem that what is indicated is precisely that God's wish is then carried out -- that is to say, a plan is executed.
george
gfsomsel
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From: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
To: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 2:35:51 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
Dear B-Greekers,
the text:
4. hOS PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNQSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN
5. hEIS GAR QEOS hEIS KAI MESITHS QEOU KAI ANQRWPWN ANQRWPOS CRISTOS IHSOUS
My questions concerns two words.
1. QELW
In an article I read an interpretation that there is a distinction between QELW and BOULOMAI here. So, the text says that it's God's wish, that He simply wants all the people to have all they need to be saved. In other words that it's a wish off his heart and not a decision of his will. Can we say that on tha base of the meaning of the verbs?
Thayer says: "As respects the distinction between βούλομαι and θέλω, the former seems to designate the will which follows deliberation, the latter the will which proceeds from inclination". There is also a reverse of this distinction.
BDAG has a few meanings of QELW:
a. to have a desire for something, wish to have, desire, want
b. to have someth. in mind for oneself, of purpose, resolve, will, wish, want, be ready
BDAG doesn't refer to 1 Tim 2:4.
At BOULOMAI BDAG cites BDF - there is no difference in meaning between the verbs.
What do you think?
2. GAR
Is GAR here explicative (as BDAG suggests) or it gives the reason? This is the more important question to me. What is the connection between the verses 4 and 5?
Beata Urbanek
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