[B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 7 11:39:28 EST 2011


It means that Robertson was correct when saying that the main use of γάρ GAR is 
to explain what has already been stated.
 george
gfsomsel 


… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


- Jan Hus
_________ 




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From: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 9:11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5

 
Thanks, George. 
 
I'm not sure I understand this sentence (even with the help of English-Polish 
dictionary):
"Robertson's 'explanatory' assertion has largely been confirmed as the core 
constraint of γάρ in modern linguistic treatements."  

Could you explain it to me, please?

Beata Urbanek
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: George F Somsel 
>To: Beata Urbanek ; B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org 
>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 4:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
>
>
>4 ὃς πάντας ἀνθρωπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας 
>ἐλθεῖν.
>5 Εἷς γὰρ θεός, 
>   εἷς καὶ μεσίτης θεοῦ καὶ ἀνθρώπων,
>   ἄνθρωπος Χριστὸς Ἰησοῦς
> 
>4 hOS PANTAS ANQRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNWSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN.
>5 hEIS GAR QEOS,
>   hEIS KAI MESITHS QEOU KAI ANQRWPWN,
>   ANQRWPOS XRISTOS IHSOUS
> 
>First, let us dispose of γάρ GAR.  I've found Steve Runge's _Discourse Grammar 
>of the Greek New Testament_ to be helpful particularly with regard to some of 
>the conjunctions.  He notes that while Wallace and Young indicate that γάρ GAR 
>is both coordinating and subordinating that 
>
> 
>"Robertson's 'explanatory' assertion has largely been confirmed as the core 
>constraint of γάρ in modern linguistic treatements."  
>
> 
>And, 
>
>"Where it occurs in narrative proper, the proposition introduced by γάρfleshes 
>out some aspect of what precedes. It may be in the form of background 
>information; it may introduce the reason or rationale for some preceding action 
>or state."
> 
> 
>Regarding βούλομαι BOULOMAI and θέλω QELW, it seems that the difference BDAG 
>indicates is that θέλω QELW indicates a wish or desire while βούλομαι BOULOMAI 
>not only indicates a desire but a plan.  I am not sure that I agree with this -- 
>particularly with regard to this passage.  Here it would seem that what is 
>indicated is precisely that God's wish is then carried out -- that is to say, a 
>plan is executed.
>
> george
>gfsomsel 
>
>
>… search for truth, hear truth, 
>learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
>defend the truth till death.
>
>
>- Jan Hus
>_________ 
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
>To: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 2:35:51 AM
>Subject: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
>
>Dear B-Greekers,
>
>the text:
>4. hOS PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNQSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN 
>5. hEIS GAR QEOS hEIS KAI MESITHS QEOU KAI ANQRWPWN ANQRWPOS CRISTOS IHSOUS
>
>My questions concerns two words.
>1. QELW 
>In an article I read an interpretation that there is a distinction between QELW  
>and BOULOMAI here. So, the text says that it's God's wish, that He simply wants 
>all the people to have all they need to be saved. In other words that it's a 
>wish off his heart and not a decision of his will. Can we say that on tha base 
>of the meaning of the verbs?
>Thayer says: "As respects the distinction between βούλομαι and θέλω, the former 
>seems to designate the will which follows deliberation, the latter the will 
>which proceeds from inclination". There is also a reverse of this distinction. 
>
>BDAG has a few meanings of QELW:
>a. to have a desire for something, wish to have, desire, want
>b. to have someth. in mind for oneself, of purpose, resolve, will, wish, want, 
>be ready 
>
>BDAG doesn't refer to 1 Tim 2:4.
>At BOULOMAI BDAG cites BDF - there is no difference in meaning between the 
>verbs.
>
>What do you think?
>
>2. GAR
>Is GAR here explicative (as BDAG suggests) or it gives the reason? This is the 
>more important question to me. What is the connection between the verses 4 and 
>5? 
>
>
>Beata Urbanek
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