[B-Greek] πᾶσαι = only two in Matt. 13.56?
Richard Smith
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Tue Mar 8 21:35:11 EST 2011
I had never read verse as possibly referring to both sexes. Interesting.
Not related to the thread, but to a similarly alternative reading of a verse. I had written a note in my NTG besides 1 Thess 4.4 that TO EIDENAI hEKASTON hUMWN TO hEAUTOU SKEUOS KTASQAI could mean "to know how to take a wife", with SKEUOS meaning wife. Not sure where I read that alternative so that I made such a notation.
Richard Smith
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From: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
To: "Mark Goodacre" <goodacre at duke.edu>, "Biblical Greek List" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] πᾶσαι = only two in Matt. 13.56?
Mark asked
<Can anyone think of good examples of PAS
meaning "both"?>
Hi, Mark,
I can't think of a good one, no, but there is 1 Cor 11:12:
"You see, just as the women is from the man, so the man comes about through the
woman. But all things are from God." τὰ δέ πάντα ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ. TA DE PANTA
EK TOU QEOU.
PANTA here probably means all things, maybe all living things, perhaps all
natural things, possibly all existence. But it MIGHT mean all (both) genders.
It means, at any rate, PRIMARILY that men and women are both equally from God.
Again, this is not a good example, but if you add it to a few good examples, it
can be used to strengthen the case.
Mark L
Φωσφορος
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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From: Mark Goodacre <goodacre at duke.edu>
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Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:36:15 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] πᾶσαι = only two in Matt. 13.56?
Matt. 13.56: καὶ αἱ ἀδελφαὶ αὐτοῦ οὐχὶ πᾶσαι πρὸς ἡμᾶς εἰσιν;
KAI hAI ADELFAI AUTOU OUCI PASAI PROS hHMAS EISIN;
This is usually translated "And are not *all* his sisters with us?"
However, Richard Bauckham suggests that "Although Matthew refers to
'all his sisters', we cannot tell whether there were more than two,
since Greek can use 'all' for only two" ("The Relatives of Jesus",
Themelios 21.2 (January 1996): 18-21 (18)). I think it would be odd,
though, to read this verse as suggesting two sisters only. The usual
translation of PAS and the emphasis here suggest to me a rhetorical
"all" rather than "both". Can anyone think of good examples of PAS
meaning "both"?
Thanks
Mark
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