[B-Greek] πᾶσαι = only two in Matt. 13.56?

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 8 22:02:23 EST 2011


Τὰ πάντα TA PANTA is generally used to reference the whole of creation, not 
male and female.
 
 
β.τὰ πάντα. In the abs. sense of the whole of creation all things, the universe 
(Pla., Ep. 6, 323d τῶν πάντων θεός; hymn to Selene in EAbel, Orphica [1885] 294, 
36 εἰς σὲ τὰ πάντα τελευτᾶ[s. 1dβbeg.]; Herm. Wr. 13, 17 τ. κτίσαντα τὰ πάντα; 
JosAs 8:2 ζωοποιήσας τὰ πάντα; Philo, Spec. Leg. 1, 208, Rer. Div. Her. 36, 
Somn. 1, 241; Just., A I, 67, 2 τὸν ποιητὴν τῶν πάντων; PGM 1, 212 κύριε τῶν 
πάντων; 4, 3077) 

 george
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From: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
To: Mark Goodacre <goodacre at duke.edu>; Biblical Greek List 
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] πᾶσαι = only two in Matt. 13.56?

Mark asked

<Can anyone think of good examples of PAS
meaning "both"?>

Hi, Mark,

I can't think of a good one, no, but there is 1 Cor 11:12:

"You see, just as the women is from the man, so the man comes about through the 
woman.  But all things are from God."  τὰ δέ πάντα ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ.    TA DE PANTA 
EK TOU QEOU.

PANTA here probably means all things, maybe all living things, perhaps all 
natural things, possibly all existence.  But it MIGHT mean all (both) genders.  
It means, at any rate, PRIMARILY that men and women are both equally from God.

Again, this is not a good example, but if you add it to a few good examples, it 
can be used to strengthen the case.

Mark L
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From: Mark Goodacre <goodacre at duke.edu>
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Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:36:15 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] πᾶσαι = only two in Matt. 13.56?

Matt. 13.56: καὶ αἱ ἀδελφαὶ αὐτοῦ οὐχὶ πᾶσαι πρὸς ἡμᾶς εἰσιν;

KAI hAI ADELFAI AUTOU OUCI PASAI PROS hHMAS EISIN;

This is usually translated "And are not *all* his sisters with us?"
However, Richard Bauckham suggests that "Although Matthew refers to
'all his sisters', we cannot tell whether there were more than two,
since Greek can use 'all' for only two" ("The Relatives of Jesus",
Themelios 21.2 (January 1996): 18-21 (18)).  I think it would be odd,
though, to read this verse as suggesting two sisters only.  The usual
translation of PAS and the emphasis here suggest to me a rhetorical
"all" rather than "both".  Can anyone think of good examples of PAS
meaning "both"?

Thanks
Mark
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