[B-Greek] EAN MH and/or searching in Logos4

Jeffrey T. Requadt jeffreyrequadt_list at hotmail.com
Sun Mar 13 18:10:56 EDT 2011


That is precisely the section I looked at, and saw nothing about “but” in the sense of, “not this, but rather this” for EAN MH. I agree with you about the “unless.” English has lots of ways of expressing different shades of exception, including the word “but” on occasion, I suppose, but I’m looking for specific instances of contrast rather than condition. I am trying to look in ATR, but that is confusing as well.

 

From: George F Somsel [mailto:gfsomsel at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:02 PM
To: Jeffrey T. Requadt; Biblical Greek List
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] EAN MH and/or searching in Logos4

 

I would guess that your passage is either Jn 15.4 or Gal 2.16 since they are the only two passages I find which fit that description (ἐὰν μὴ + prep [EAN MH + prep]).  Did you look carefully at BDAG?  How about

 

ⓒ w. other particles

α. ἐὰν καί even if Gal 6:1; likew. ἐὰν δὲ καί (POxy 472 II, 7) but if 1 Cor 7:11, 28; 2 Ti 2:5. ἐὰν δὲ καὶ παρακούσῃ but if the pers. refuses to listen Mt 18:17.

β. ἐὰν μή if not, unless w. pres. subj. ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ᾖ ἀξία Mt 10:13; cp. Lk 13:3; J 3:2f, 5, 27. Mostly w. aor. subj. ἐὰν μὴ p 268 περισσεύσῃ Mt 5:20; 6:15; 12:29; 18:3; 21:21; Mk 3:27; 4:22 (s. KBeyer, Semitische Syntax im NT, ’62, 131); J 4:48; 6:44; 7:51; Ro 10:15; 1 Cor 9:16; 14:6; unless, without ἐὰν μὴ αὐτὸ πίω Mt 26:42. W. fut. ἐὰν μὴ μετανοήσουσιν Rv 2:22.

 

s.v. ἐάν

 

The "unless" under ⓒβ seems fairly similar to your "except."  
 

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From: Jeffrey T. Requadt <jeffreyrequadt_list at hotmail.com>
To: Biblical Greek List <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 2:39:56 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] EAN MH and/or searching in Logos4

I'm trying to learn more about the use of εαν μη EAN MH. I have run across a
passage in which some interpreters/translaters take it as a simple contrast,
i.e. "but" in English. I have the print edition of BDAG, so I can't copy and
paste, but it only gives the sense of "if not, unless, without." I would add
"except" to that list in certain contexts. The passage I am looking at
(which I don't want to name simply because it has some emotionally-charged
theological opinions attached to it) has EAN MH followed by a prepositional
phrase. My question for the general list is, are there any concrete examples
in Koine Greek of EAN MH being used to contrast things rather than as a
condition or an exception. The condition/exception seems to me to be the
most normal for EAN MH, so that's why I'm looking for concrete examples of
when that would not work or be natural. On a related note, I'm having a
terrible time with Logos 4 trying to search for all occurrences of EAN MH
followed by a prepositional phrase, since I never learned all these
linguistic/syntax terms, and apparently I'm not allowed to do a simple
graphical query search like in Logos 3. If someone knows how to do this, and
can walk me through it with an email/video, and/or can do it for me (I would
prefer the former option), please let me know.



Jeffrey T. Requadt

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