[B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5

Beata Urbanek beata.urbanek at op.pl
Sat Mar 19 09:39:34 EDT 2011


Thanks to all who responded.

The text again:
4. ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
4. hOS PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNQSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN

I have another question.
Is the position of πάντας ἀνθρώπους at the beginning of the v. 4 emphatic? 
Should the "normal" word order be:
ὃς θέλει σωθῆναι πάντας ἀνθρώπους.
hOS QELEI SWQHNAI PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS

Beata Urbanek



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>
To: "Shirley Rollinson" <rollinsondr at yahoo.com>; "BG" 
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5


> After having looked at all the BOULOMAIs in the NT, I get the impression 
> that it
> usually refers to the following scenario: I have thought about the 
> situation, I
> have come to a decision or made a plan, and therefore: this is what I want 
> you
> to do or this is what I want should happen.
> If more than one person is involved, the decision would be a result of 
> that
> consultation, but in most cases the person consults within him- or 
> herself.
>
> In 2 Pet 3:9 we read: μὴ βουλόμενός τινας ἀπολέσθαι ἀλλὰ πάντας εἰς 
> μετάνοιαν
> χωρῆσαι
> MH BOULOMENOS TINAS APOLESQAI ALLA PANTAS EIS METANOIAN CWRHSAI
>
> (God) is not planning (does not want) for anyone to be destroyed but for 
> all to
> make room for repentance.
>
> In 1 Tim 2:4 God would wish (QELEI) for all people to be saved and come to 
> fully
> know the truth.
>
> But he also knows that this will not happen, even though he has put 
> everything
> in place for it to happen as v. 5 explains: He has sent Jesus Christ as 
> the
> mediator, but there is only one God. If people will not believe and 
> acknowledge
> this truth, they will not be saved.
>
> Although there is considerable overlap between the words, I do believe 
> that some
> distinction is present. It is akin to, but not quite the same as, the 
> difference
> between English "want" and "wish".
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shirley Rollinson" <rollinsondr at yahoo.com>
> To: <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
> Cc: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: 9. marts 2011 02:14
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
>
>
> Dear Beata,
> Could it be that THELW qelw relates to THELHMA qelhma - what an individual
> wishes or wants
> and that BOULOMAI boulomai relates to BOULH boulh - what a council decides
> together?
>
> thank you
> Shirley Rollinson
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 9. Re: 1 Timothy 2:4-5 (Beata Urbanek)
>
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