[B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
Beata Urbanek
beata.urbanek at op.pl
Sat Mar 19 10:19:56 EDT 2011
Plus another question:)
One of the commentators says that hOS has a causal meaning: "because He
wants all people to be saved". I cannot find such meaning of this pronoun.
Beata Urbanek
> Thanks to all who responded.
>
> The text again:
> 4. ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
> 4. hOS PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNQSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN
>
> I have another question.
> Is the position of πάντας ἀνθρώπους at the beginning of the v. 4 emphatic?
> Should the "normal" word order be:
> ὃς θέλει σωθῆναι πάντας ἀνθρώπους.
> hOS QELEI SWQHNAI PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS
>
> Beata Urbanek
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>
> To: "Shirley Rollinson" <rollinsondr at yahoo.com>; "BG"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
>
>
>> After having looked at all the BOULOMAIs in the NT, I get the impression
>> that it
>> usually refers to the following scenario: I have thought about the
>> situation, I
>> have come to a decision or made a plan, and therefore: this is what I
>> want you
>> to do or this is what I want should happen.
>> If more than one person is involved, the decision would be a result of
>> that
>> consultation, but in most cases the person consults within him- or
>> herself.
>>
>> In 2 Pet 3:9 we read: μὴ βουλόμενός τινας ἀπολέσθαι ἀλλὰ πάντας εἰς
>> μετάνοιαν
>> χωρῆσαι
>> MH BOULOMENOS TINAS APOLESQAI ALLA PANTAS EIS METANOIAN CWRHSAI
>>
>> (God) is not planning (does not want) for anyone to be destroyed but for
>> all to
>> make room for repentance.
>>
>> In 1 Tim 2:4 God would wish (QELEI) for all people to be saved and come
>> to fully
>> know the truth.
>>
>> But he also knows that this will not happen, even though he has put
>> everything
>> in place for it to happen as v. 5 explains: He has sent Jesus Christ as
>> the
>> mediator, but there is only one God. If people will not believe and
>> acknowledge
>> this truth, they will not be saved.
>>
>> Although there is considerable overlap between the words, I do believe
>> that some
>> distinction is present. It is akin to, but not quite the same as, the
>> difference
>> between English "want" and "wish".
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shirley Rollinson" <rollinsondr at yahoo.com>
>> To: <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
>> Cc: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: 9. marts 2011 02:14
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
>>
>>
>> Dear Beata,
>> Could it be that THELW qelw relates to THELHMA qelhma - what an
>> individual
>> wishes or wants
>> and that BOULOMAI boulomai relates to BOULH boulh - what a council
>> decides
>> together?
>>
>> thank you
>> Shirley Rollinson
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 9. Re: 1 Timothy 2:4-5 (Beata Urbanek)
>>
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