[B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 19 10:36:39 EDT 2011


Hi, Beata,

Any relative clause can have causal force if that's what the context demands.

Paul could have used here a participle θελοντος (QELONTOS,) which would have had 
a causal force.  Instead of a subordinate clause, he could have started a new 
sentence and used GAR, which would have had a causal force.  The relative clause 
was such another option to keep the style various.




 Mark L


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From: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
To: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>; BG <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 8:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5

Plus another question:)

One of the commentators says that hOS has a causal meaning: "because He wants 
all people to be saved". I cannot find such meaning of this pronoun.

Beata Urbanek

> Thanks to all who responded.
> 
> The text again:
> 4. ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
> 4. hOS PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNQSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN
> 
> I have another question.
> Is the position of πάντας ἀνθρώπους at the beginning of the v. 4 emphatic? 
>Should the "normal" word order be:
> ὃς θέλει σωθῆναι πάντας ἀνθρώπους.
> hOS QELEI SWQHNAI PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS
> 
> Beata Urbanek
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>
> To: "Shirley Rollinson" <rollinsondr at yahoo.com>; "BG" 
><b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
> 
> 
>> After having looked at all the BOULOMAIs in the NT, I get the impression that 
>>it
>> usually refers to the following scenario: I have thought about the situation, 
>I
>> have come to a decision or made a plan, and therefore: this is what I want 
you
>> to do or this is what I want should happen.
>> If more than one person is involved, the decision would be a result of that
>> consultation, but in most cases the person consults within him- or herself.
>> 
>> In 2 Pet 3:9 we read: μὴ βουλόμενός τινας ἀπολέσθαι ἀλλὰ πάντας εἰς μετάνοιαν
>> χωρῆσαι
>> MH BOULOMENOS TINAS APOLESQAI ALLA PANTAS EIS METANOIAN CWRHSAI
>> 
>> (God) is not planning (does not want) for anyone to be destroyed but for all 
>to
>> make room for repentance.
>> 
>> In 1 Tim 2:4 God would wish (QELEI) for all people to be saved and come to 
>>fully
>> know the truth.
>> 
>> But he also knows that this will not happen, even though he has put 
everything
>> in place for it to happen as v. 5 explains: He has sent Jesus Christ as the
>> mediator, but there is only one God. If people will not believe and 
>acknowledge
>> this truth, they will not be saved.
>> 
>> Although there is considerable overlap between the words, I do believe that 
>>some
>> distinction is present. It is akin to, but not quite the same as, the 
>>difference
>> between English "want" and "wish".
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Rollinson" 
<rollinsondr at yahoo.com>
>> To: <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
>> Cc: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: 9. marts 2011 02:14
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Beata,
>> Could it be that THELW qelw relates to THELHMA qelhma - what an individual
>> wishes or wants
>> and that BOULOMAI boulomai relates to BOULH boulh - what a council decides
>> together?
>> 
>> thank you
>> Shirley Rollinson
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 9. Re: 1 Timothy 2:4-5 (Beata Urbanek)
>> 
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