[B-Greek] Mark 1:1

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Mar 20 10:42:29 EDT 2011


I neglected answering your question at the end of your reply.  As I said, I take 
it to be an objective genitive.  It is the gospel ABOUT Jesus Christ.  In Re 1.1 
we have "The revelation of Jesus Christ ..." which could mean that it belongs to 
him (Note that it states that God gave it to him) or it could mean that Jesus 
Christ is the source (Note that it says that he sent it to his servant John) or 
it could mean that it is ABOUT Jesus Christ.  In answer to a question "Is it A 
or B or C?" I tend to say, "Yes."  In other words, take your pick.  Is it a 
"Roman proclamation formula"?  Perhaps.  The term εὐαγγέλιον EUAGGELION was 
used for such things as the announcement of the Emperor's accession or his 
birthday, but that was not the only use made of the term so why should we insist 
on restricting it to that?  It was also used to refer to the reward given to a 
messenger among other uses.  Sometimes we try too overinterpret texts which is 
part of the reason we don't discuss theology here.  As Sgt Friday in the old 
Dragnet series would say, "Just the Greek, ma'am."

 george
gfsomsel 


… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


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From: Dony K. Donev <dony at cupandcross.com>
To: Biblical Greek' <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 7:21:01 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Mark 1:1

Thanks for the replay. Perhaps you meant:

All MSS [do not] contain it. Metzger claims it is omitted in a* Q28^C /al/ which 
is a bit major.

At the same time, Michael Turton writes: "The term "gospel" (/euangelion/) seems 
to have been in general use as part of a standard phrase/arche tou 
euangeliou/(the beginning of the gospel) known from proclamations and 
inscriptions from the time of Augustus. The phrase "Son of God" (/theou hyios/) 
was also used of Roman emperors (Helms 1988, p28-9)."

Hense my question: Is it a simple addition OR a Roman proclamation formula
whereas the intended meaning was: "the Gospel .... OF the Son of God" ?


Dony


On 03/20/2011 10:03 AM, George F Somsel wrote:
> Ἀρχὴ τοῦ εὐαγγελίου Ὶησοῦ Χριστοῦ [υἱοῦ θεοῦ].
> ARXH TOU EUAGGELIOU IHSOU XRISTOU [hUIOU QEOU].
> I would take this to be an objective genitive, but I am reminded of the theme 
>song of the old "Mr. Ed" show "A horse is a horse, of course, of course ..."  
>Similarly, a genitive is a genitive so it's a matter of interpretation.  You say 
>"potaytoe" and I say "potahtoe."  As to the awkwardness of the ending υἱοῦ 
>θεοῦ hUIOU QEOU, what awkwardness?  The attestation is reasonably good, and I 
>would hesitate to exclude something solely because of my criticism of its 
>literary style -- particularly in a language other than my native language.  
>Admittedly, there are times when some text can appear glaringly obvious, but not 
>always.  I'm thinking particularly of Re 16.15 where we suddenly find the 
>announcement "Behold, I come as a thief ..."  What is so glaring about that is 
>that it simply seems as though it is dropped into the middle of an unrelated 
>matter.  Nevertheless, all Mss contain it and so it remains in the text.  Most 
>often changes are made in a text to smooth them out rather than to make them 
>more difficult.  The scribe seems to say, "I can write better Greek than that."
> 
> george
> gfsomsel
> 
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
> 
> 
> - Jan Hus
> _________
> 
> 
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> *From:* Dony K. Donev <dony at cupandcross.com>
> *To:* Biblical Greek' <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; wie at uni-bremen.de
> *Sent:* Sun, March 20, 2011 6:38:29 AM
> *Subject:* [B-Greek] Mark 1:1
> 
> This is rather a quick question on a first read of Mark 1:1:
> 
> Should the genitive "of Jesus Christ" be translated as a
> 
> possessive belonging to the "Gospel" in the first clause?
> 
> Also, isn't the clumsiness of the phrase, rather hanging at the end
> 
> sufficient proof for its later addition in B D W /al/
> 
> //
> 
> /Dony K. Donev/
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