[B-Greek] Mt 6:15 AFHTE vs. AFIETE

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 24 01:14:49 EDT 2011


It must be understood -- wait for it.  IN ITS CONTEXT.  The context is that of 
teaching the disciples (and therefore the Church) to pray:
Οὕτως οὖν προσεύχεσθε ὑμεῖς·
...
καὶ ἄφες ἡμῖν τὰ ὀφεληματα ἡμῶν, 
ὡς καὶ ἡμεῖς ἀφήκαμεν τοῖς ὀφειλέταις ἡμῶν.
KAI AFES hHMIN TA OFELHMATA hHMWN,
hWS KAI hHMEIS AFHKAMEN TOIS OFEILETAIS hHMWN.

Thus the context is that of whenever they pray indicating a general condition.   
"If you do not forgive, neither will your father ..."

 george
gfsomsel 


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From: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 10:02:46 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Mt 6:15 AFHTE vs. AFIETE

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:23 AM, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> It is an aor subj so it would not be "have forgiven" (as though it were a 
>perf).  It indicates a time antecedent to the divine forgiveness -- "If you do 
>not forgive men, neither will your father forgive you."  There is probably 
>little distinction, but let's try to keep things straight.  It is known as a 
>third class condition or a future condition.  It would seem to be a general 
>condition.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
>

Taking together with 6:12 (with v.l. in aorist), I feel, it seems more
natural to take it as antecedent to the speaker's time, (with the
divine forgiveness to be a future relative to the speaker's time of
asking forgiveness).

The scenario I have in mind is:  We have forgiven. Then, upon asking
God to forgive us, He is going to forgive us. If we have not, He is
not going to.

I hope I have expressed well enough for you to see my line of understanding.

Oun Kwon.
hOUTWS OUN PROSEUXESQE hUMEIS:


      


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