[B-Greek] Arethas and Paul in 2Thes 2,2 - both proleptic ?

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Mon Mar 28 14:55:00 EDT 2011


On Mar 28, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Peter Streitenberger wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> I'm reading a passage from Arethas (Fragm. in Epist. II ad Thess, 661.15): "SUNUPAKOUETAI TAUTA TOIS PROKEIMENOIS· MHDEIS hUMAS EXAPA THSHi hOTI ENESTHKEN hH hHMERA PRIN TAUTA GENHTAI TOTE THN APISTIAN TWN ANQRWPWN hO DIABOLOS EISHGEN"
> 
> I wanted to compare it with 2Thes 2,2: "hWS hOTI ENESTHKEN hH hHMERA TOU CRISTOU"
> 
> Is ENESTHKEN in both cases a proleptic Perfect ? That means the events are still future. 

Isn't this simply, in the case of 2 Thess 2:2 a proposition that is being set forth by others (that "the day of Christ is here now") and that Paul disputes?
And in the case of the Arethas, it's a direct citation of the passage from 2 Thess. The enclosing hOTI should make it clear that this is a citation, I think.

> 
> My other question is the exact meaning of "SUNUPAKOUETAI TAUTA TOIS PROKEIMENOIS" - I can't handle the semantics and the syntax.

I think this is simply saying, "This (TAUTA) is consistent with/in accordance with/implicit in  (SUNUPAKOUETAI) what has been set forth previously
 (TOIS PROKEIMENOIS -- PROKEIMAI serving as the perfect passive for PROTIQHMI).


Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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