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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

> I feel that PerumAL being the swAthanthrian,even thAyAr has to wait 
> for the "right" time to act as the mediator. This aspect is 
> explained by Swami Azhagiya MaNaVALa PerumAL nAyanAr in AH,2nd 
> prakaraNam "iRaivanin vishESha katAksham". 
> I don't think thAyAr can act(independently) as and when she pleases 
> to mediate on behalf of us. She only accompanies Him in all His 
> duties without displeasing Him. My understanding is that it is the 
> Lord who chooses the "right" time. 

This is an interesting subject and I am fortunate to have heard 
kalakshepam on this. Before we discuss about swAthanthryam of the 
Lord:-), let us understand the following: The swa-roopam and the swa-
bhavam. swa-roopam means the nature, the in-built capability i.e 
basically what one CAN. swa-bhavam is more interesting. It is 
basically what one WILL do. I assume we all know the difference 
between these two words CAN and WILL where the former is to be used 
in the context of ABILITY to perform something, while the latter is 
to be used in the context where one is WILLING to perform something. 
Jeeva-atma-swaroopam is that it is the seshi i.e the body of the 
Parama-atma and is a dependent entity on him i.e he is the inner 
controller. Does the Jeeva-atma realize it? Many of them do not. Why 
so? It is due the swa-bhavam. When this swa-bhavam leads to the 
realizing act i.e realizing(as opposed to knowing) the atma-
swaroopam, the jeeva-atma attains salvation(whether it is still 
attached to a body or not, "Adhuve Veedu Veedaame"). Now on the other 
side, what is Parama-atma swaroopam? HE is the omni-potent, omni-
present and what not. HE is "anoranian" smaller than what we know as 
the smallest, "mahato maheeyan" bigger than what we know as the 
biggest - in valor, krupai, dayai, kshamai, size everything. All 
right. All said, so, why does HE wait indefinitely for every jeevatma 
to realize HIM? This question gives a wonderful answer. This is when 
one gets to understand HIS swabhavam. Though HE is "anoranian" 
and "mahatomahian", HIS swabhavam is such that, HE cares for every 
jeevatma. HE eagerly awaits their change of swabhavam to realize HIM 
and make HIM feel happy.

Now back to the subject, 

>PerumAL being the swAthanthrian,even thAyAr has to wait for 
>the "right" time to act as the mediator. I don't think thAyAr can act
> (independently) as and when she pleases to mediate on behalf of us. 
> She only accompanies Him in all His duties without displeasing Him.

Perumal though being a swAthanthrian which is HIS swaroopam, has a 
swABhavam exactly opposite to it. HE is willing to do what other's 
say, for most of the time. "Shriyathe, shrayathe" gives a clear cut 
meaning of Piratti's duty. She is to protect and she is 
the "Karyunya, Kshama, Daya" roopam of the Lord. And she will 
recommend that for ANYONE and EVERYONE at any time.

> My understanding is that it is the Lord who chooses the "right" 
> time. 
Any time that the Lord chooses, is the right time for HIM as well as 
the prajai (the subject). The moment we say he chooses, we are 
talking about his swa-bhavam and svAthantryam is out of it. I mean, 
svAthantryam is the base capability of the Lord to have any swa-
bhavam, but these kind of acts have to be attributed to his swa-
bhavam i.e his willingness to do, rather than his capability to do.

> On a different note,I have heard that there is a minute/hair line" 
> difference between even "prapatti" and "sharaNAgathi". My guess is 
> SharaNAgathi goes out and out by "nirhEthuka krpa" and the "utter 
> collapse" of the jIvAtmA's efforts while a "tinch" of sahEthukam
> (human effort) enters prapatti. This is again my guess only. 

SharaNAgathi is the very first act of falling under the feet of one
(LORD in this context) after the performer realizes his/her inability 
to do anything. The RETENTION of this mindset is called the PRAPATTI.

Shriman Narayana Charanou SHARANAM -> PRAPATHYE Srimathe Narayanaya 
Namaha. [I prostrate(Sharanagathi) unto the lotus feet of Lord 
Shriman Narayana(includes Thayar too as she is never separate from 
HIM) and will continue to hold(Prapatthi) those feet and stick to 
HIM, and I realize I don't have svAthanthryam(na-ma) and I am a 
servant/dependent of HIM]

Yatheendra Pravanam Vandhe RAMYA Jamataram Munim

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,
Lakshmi Narasimhan





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