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Dear Sriman Vijay,

Thank you for the clarification. I enjoyed the explanation of the 
pASuram a lot. 

Best regards
Vishnu

-- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Vijay Triplicane 
<vijay.triplicane@xxxx> wrote:
> Dear Sri Vishnu,
> By nature, the jIvAs created by perumAL have knowledge and they
> 'can' use it whichever way they want. SvAmi nammAzhvAr in his "
> avar avar..." talks about how these jIvAs use their knowledge and 
> think that the lesser gods can provide what they want and worship 
> them. Our dear perumAL who is the LORD of all these demigods, 
> resides in them (antharyAmi) and grants the wishes of the 
> adhikARis. Let me briefly talk about the pAsuram first.
> 
> Each and every individual jIvA/adhikAri (avar avar)
> use their knowledge and do things accordingly(thama thamadhu aRivu 
aRi vagai
> ) 
> They think those other Lords (avar avar)
> as their SvAmi (iRaiyavar ena)
> and worship them (adi adaivargaL)
> 
> Those Lords being worshipped by the adhikArIs (avar avar iRaiyavar)
> are Not incapable of giving them what they wanted ( kuRaivu ilar )
> (Those lords give the adhikArIs what they asked for, WHY? How is 
it?)
> 
> Our dear perumAL, who is The Lord of all lords/sarva svAmi 
(iRaiyavar )
> makes sure that those adhikARis (avar avar)
> based on their vidhi (vidhi vazhi)
> get what they want by being the antharyAmi of these lords (adaiya
> n^inRanaRE)
> 
> The objective of the pAsuram is mainly to point out that the 
rakshaNam
> of all the chetanas/achetanas are all completely done by our sarva 
svAmi.
> This is not talking about the nirhethuka krupa of perumAL at all. 
The only
> reason why I quoted this is for the first line where he says "thama
> thamadhu
> aRivu aRi vagai" - they do things based on how their knowledge 
dictates
> them.
> Based on their knowledge the adhikAris also think that they can 
take care of
> 
> themselves independently. This is an absolute swarUpa virOdham, 
which their 
> knowledge doesn't point out! That is why, having this false sense 
of 
> independence, they don't realize the need for perumAL's krupa 
and "deny" His
> 
> overflowing grace. They are in fact making an effort to stop His 
grace from 
> saving them. This false sense of independence is the classical 
virOdhi. 
> 'False' is the keyword here. As you have quoted from ashtaslOki by 
Sri
> Bhattar, 
> we do not have any sort of freedom. That is the truth. But we fail 
to see
> the 
> truth. In fact at the end of the pAsuram, he says that even those 
demigods
> are 
> not independent and they act according to our dear perumAL.
> 
> AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE araNam,
> adiyEn,
> -Vijay Triplicane





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