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Dear Ms.vaidehi,

 There is even a school of thought which says that jesus was a hindu 
and lived his last days in kashmir.bavishya purana contains quotes 
about jesus.

from http://tombofjesus.com/Conclusion.htm#bavish

"Shalivahan, who was a grandson of Bikrama Jit, took over the 
government. He vanquished the attacking hordes of Chinese, 
Parthians, Scythians and Bactrians. He drew a border between the 
Arians and the Mleacha (= non-Hindus), and ordered the latter to 
withdraw to the other side of India. One day, Shalivahan, the chief 
ot the Sakyas, went into the Himalayas. There, in the Land of the 
Hun (= Ladakh, a part of the Kushan empire), the powerful king saw a 
man sitting on a mountain, who seemed to promise auspiciousness. His 
skin was fair and he wore white garments.

"The king asked the holy man who he was. The other replied: 'I am 
called a son of God, born of a virgin, minister of the non-
believers, relentless in search of the truth.' The king then asked 
him: 'What is your religion?' The other replied, 'O great king, I 
come from a foreign country, where there is no longer truth and 
where evil knows no bounds. In the land of the non-believers, I 
appeared as the Messiah. But the demon Ihamasi of the barbarians 
(dasyu) manifested herself in a terrible form; I was delivered unto 
her in the manner of the non-believers and ended in Ihamasi's realm.

"'O king, lend your ear to the religion that I brought unto the non-
believers: after the purification of the essence and the impure body 
and after seeking refuge in the prayers of the Naigama, man will 
pray to the Eternal. Through justice, truth, meditation and unity of 
spirit, man will find his way to Isa in the center of light. God, as 
firm as the sun, will finally unite the spirit of all wandering 
beings in himself. Thus, O king, Ihamasi will be destroyed; and the 
blissful image if Isa, the giver of happiness, will remain forever 
in the heart; and I was called Isa-Masih.' After the king heard 
these words, he took the teacher of the non-believers and sent him 
to their pitiless land."(verses 16-33 of the third khanda of the 
Pratisarga parvan of the Bhavishya Mahapurana)

This website further claims that kashmiris were jews.Sri 
chandrasekarendra saraswathi has written about how hinduism was the 
only religion that prevailed in the world and how christianity and 
islam were different versions of hinduism.

There is a school of thought which says that jehovah is lord krishna 
himself and he preached geetha to moses.I will write more about this 
with more proof in my next mails.




--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vaidhehi_nc" <nappinnai_nc@xxxx> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Sri:
> Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:
> 
> Dear devotees,
> 
>               Humble praNAms to all. This is just a general mail 
not 
> in favor or against mails related on this issue. One may ask: why 
> advaitam is so popular than visishTAdvaitam(or why more shaivites 
> than vaishNavAs) in our country? Why the foreigners/westerners 
think 
> our country favors polytheism rather than monotheism/sriman 
> narayana, which is the essence of the vedas? The answer is false 
> knowledge. So is true with Christianity. Lot of christians do not 
> know what exactly is said in the Bible or rather they misinterpret 
> the Bible. I have one very great Catholic friend with whom I share 
> and discuss SV views(whatever I know!) and he in turn tells me 
> what's the equivalent in the Bible. I asked him why even priests 
of 
> your community eat non-veg. This friend of mine is a pure 
vegetarian 
> and he only eats twice a day and very specific about what he eats.
> 
>               Many Christians, that I have come across,tell me it 
> doesn't matter what goes into your mouth but what comes out 
matters. 
> This is how they interpret some of the Bible passages. On the 
other 
> hand, my friend says that what the Bible says is that "when one is 
> religiously at the lowest level CAN eat(didn't say should eat)non-
> veg. But a person in the religious path will go for vegetarian 
food 
> which makes him closer to God". He also told me that some 1500 yrs 
> ago,belief in rebirth(karma)used to be taught in the churches but 
> not anymore. So if we ask some Christians now they would say that 
> they don't believe in rebirth. I was also talking to this friend 
> about nirhEtukam/causeless mercy of the Lord. We exactly coincide 
in 
> our views. I am so amazed that he is so different and he is very 
> honest in expressing the knowledge. How many of our Indian 
> population know the Truth that it is only Sriman Narayana/Vishnu 
> that vEdas talk about?  
> 
>                One can not argue with a person who is mentally 
blind 
> unless God's grace is there for that person to be in the receiving 
> mode to attain/acquire knowledge. Well, we all should try to 
acquire 
> the correct knowledge from the authentic AcArya. When His grace 
is  
> there, AcAryA automatically appears at the door step to dispel our 
> ignorance. I have been stopped by Christians of different churches 
> and they start talking and I also listen to it but I don't ask 
them 
> questions b'coz I know(from the way they talk)they can not answer 
> any my questions. I just keep it in my mind and I ask this friend 
of 
> mine who is at a very high religious level. So we should be 
careful 
> when we meet people of different faiths and it's His grace that 
can 
> save us from wandering into different faiths.
> 
> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsI
> NC Nappinnai  
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Rajesh Elayavalli" 
<earajesh@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I am all in for a rational response.  I just did not see the 
> writer of the
> > book say as such.  I also do not think that a response can be 
> rational if it
> > is focused on finding holes in another religion's philosophy or 
> theory.  A
> > sound rational debate is centered around the merits of the 
> philosophy that
> > we have faith in.  A negative attack like - "your faith also has 
> these
> > negatives in it, so why do you focus on our negatives alone?" is 
> not
> > rational debate.
> > 
> > A good approach is to state that the negatives in our philospphy 
> are
> > mis-understood and provide logical structure why they have been 
> either
> > mis-understood or mis-interpreted.
> > 
> > Anyhow, I see the reason why you might want to put the document 
in 
> the files
> > area.  I personally think that the Ramanuja group should not 
stoop 
> down to
> > the levels of  defending "negative tharka vada" and should focus 
> instead on
> > "nyAya vada"
> > 
> > Anytime we start to highlight the negatives of another religion 
to 
> gloss
> > over any perceived negatives in our own will only lead to 
> unhealthy debate.
> > 
> > adiyEn
> > nArAyana vEda dAsan
> > Rajesh Elayavalli








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