Swamin, We need not worry, what the lesser developed souls will do. We cannot be thinking what will happen if they will take advantage of this arguement. See it is very clear that Paramatma is everything. We are born as willed by him. We donot have the choice of parents. It is only the subtle soul that controls this entire drama called life. By sadana the jivatma, gets the knowledge. Now people may ask, I want to be Ramanuja why am i not able to be? Why is it that I go behind women and wine though I want to lead a pious life? Now where is SWATANTRYAM? The swatantryam of the Jiva is also able to act only with the will of GOD and paratantryam. Hope this clarifies. Dasan/raghavan vtca <vtca@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear Sriman Vishnu, I get the feeling that you are driving toward the idea that shedding free will or accepting sEshatvam is also His act and not ours. In which case, here's my question: if a soul does not accept its sEshatva nature or claims it is a swatantra (and most of us qualify for this) - is that act one of free will of the jIvAtma or not? I am sure you see my concern here. Everyone will then justify every act of their's as that of the paramAtma's. adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote: > Now I will ask you one question. The free will or swAtantyram is shed > out of our free will or not? > > Dasan > Vishnu > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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