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Sri:
Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

         This post reminded me of the Physicist Einstein's quote:
Either you consider everything as God's miracle or human effort(One 
can't have both as it sounds ridiculous). Which category an 
individual belongs to is upto the the individual's mental 
status/growth! 

> TCA writes:Everyone will then justify every act of their's as that
> of the paramAtma's.

Dear TCA,How do you explain AzhvArs stance,that is, attributing 
everything to emperumAn? 

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
dAsAnu dAsI
NC Nappinnai



--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> Swamin,
>  
> We need not worry, what the lesser developed souls will do. We 
cannot be thinking
> what will happen if they will take advantage of this arguement. 
>  
> See it is very clear that Paramatma is everything. We are born as 
willed by him. We donot have the choice of parents. It is only the 
subtle soul that controls this entire
> drama called life.
>  
> By sadana the jivatma, gets the knowledge. Now people may ask, I 
want to be Ramanuja
> why am i not able to be? Why is it that I go behind women and wine 
though I want to 
> lead a pious life? Now where is SWATANTRYAM? The swatantryam of 
the Jiva is also
> able to act only with the will of GOD and paratantryam.
>  
> Hope this clarifies.
>  
> Dasan/raghavan
> 
> vtca <vtca@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> Dear Sriman Vishnu,
> 
> I get the feeling that you are driving toward the idea
> that shedding free will or accepting sEshatvam is also
> His act and not ours.
> 
> In which case, here's my question: if a soul does not 
> accept its sEshatva nature or claims it is a swatantra
> (and most of us qualify for this) - is that act one of
> free will of the jIvAtma or not? I am sure you see my 
> concern here. Everyone will then justify every act of 
> their's as that of the paramAtma's.
> 
> adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan
> 
> 
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote:
> > Now I will ask you one question. The free will or swAtantyram is 
> shed 
> > out of our free will or not?
> > 
> > Dasan
> > Vishnu
> > 









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