Dear Sriman Raghavan, Then I go by your other mails. It is not swAtantryam in its real sense but ignorance or thinking that we are swatantram. This kind of thought that we are indepenent is called ahankAram in pUrvAchArya texts. Lord will allow our acts to be accordingly, with full control on them. He will give us bhakti whenever He wishes and not by mechanically browsing vEdas etc., as explained by krshNa and interpreted by rAmAnuja. Nice to see your analysis. Dasan Vishnu Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Swamin, Swtantryam will aim for paratantryam only if emperuman's swatantryam decides so. Dasan/raghvan Vishnu wrote: --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, rajan s wrote: > > Dear All > > > The free will or the swatantriam of the soul is thus surrendered as sung by the Azhwar. Dear Sriman Soundararajan, To be very frank, I do not know whether we have swAtantryam or pAratantryam except for going by some concepts. Now I will ask you one question. The free will or swAtantyram is shed out of our free will or not? Dasan Vishnu > The paratantriam is a state of mind. > > Azhwar Emberumanar Jeeyar thiruvadigale sharanam. > > > > > > Lakshmi Narasimhan wrote: > > > Well, > We have independence(swa). Using that independence(swa), if we give > up that very independence then that is pAratantryam(dependencde). > adiyen, > rAmAnuja dAsan > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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