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Swamin,
 
Yes all is as willed by HIM. The rest swatantryam and self and all nothing but 
illusions.
 
But, let me put my view on reading vedas and leading a life of righteousness.
 
All these help one concentrate on HIM. He is showing the way, do this properly, 
make your mind rest on ME and ME ALONE, try and try, that is how you got this 
Manhood,
and that is the only way to reach higher states.
 
Dasan/raghavan

Vishnu <vsmvishnu@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Sriman Raghavan,

Then I go by your other mails. It is not swAtantryam in its real sense but 
ignorance or thinking that we are swatantram. This kind of thought that we are 
indepenent is called ahankAram in pUrvAchArya texts. Lord will allow our acts 
to be accordingly, with full control on them. He will give us bhakti whenever 
He wishes and not by mechanically browsing vEdas etc., as explained by krshNa 
and interpreted by rAmAnuja.

Nice to see your analysis.

Dasan
Vishnu

Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Swamin,

Swtantryam will aim for paratantryam only if emperuman's swatantryam decides so.

Dasan/raghvan

Vishnu wrote:

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, rajan s wrote:
> 
> Dear All 
> 
> 
> The free will or the swatantriam of the soul is thus surrendered as 
sung by the Azhwar.

Dear Sriman Soundararajan,

To be very frank, I do not know whether we have swAtantryam or 
pAratantryam except for going by some concepts.

Now I will ask you one question. The free will or swAtantyram is shed 
out of our free will or not?

Dasan
Vishnu

> The paratantriam is a state of mind.
> 
> 

Azhwar Emberumanar Jeeyar thiruvadigale sharanam.
> 
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> Lakshmi Narasimhan wrote:
> 
> 
> Well,
> We have independence(swa). Using that independence(swa), if we give 
> up that very independence then that is pAratantryam(dependencde).
> adiyen,
> rAmAnuja dAsan
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