Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Srimad Vara Vara Munaye nama: Dear Vishnu & other devotees, Humble praNAms to all. I have forgotten the question itself with which this thread started! BTW, are there rAjasic and tAmasic ahankAram(like sAthvik)??? Just curious to know:-) That's all. I thought(!!! I could be wrong but refer to SVB:160-168) sEShatva(ananyArha) and pAratantrya go hand in hand. Just as "sEShatva" has to be kept suppressed if it hampers the Lord's pleasure, the other attribute "pAratantrya" should not also be allowed to damp/lower the Lord's spirits. If the jIvAthma/subject is unresponsive and behaves like a wood(in the name of dependence), it will certainly divert/detract from the Lord's pleasure and thus becomes an evil although "pAratantrya"(in the usual context) is the anti-thesis of conceit and arrogance. When Srirama,after Ravana was overthrown,wanted to see Sita, straight from her captivity(as she was in her internment),Sita appeared before the Lord after a refreshing bath! This literally made Srirama frown on her "snAnam roSha janakam". Again refer to SVB:71-72. pAratantrya will eliminate self- effort, while sEShatva self-delight and self-enjoyment, provided these two fundamental characteristics,which mark the essential nature of the individual soul, are fully grasped and lived upto. Then these two can be turned towards selfless service, rendered unto the Lord, solely for His pleasure, with no tinge of personal egoism. All errors in understanding SVB are mine. If a number greater than Infinity exists, then "that many" obeisances(of mine) to srI piLLai lOkAcArya. He blows my mind. I feel every aphorism (sUtra) of SVB is a PhD topic. Such is the greatness of srI piLLai lOkAcArya. Credit also goes to the devotees Sri Parthasarathy and Sri vanamamali Padmanabhan. Plus, Sri Sridhar Srinivasan has already nicely explained the position of sEShatva-pAratantrya. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam dAsAnu dAsI NC Nappinnai > Respected Swami, > > How will we discuss, if we keep apologizing, saying our posts > are "blabberings" and frequently writing "forgive"? May be > some "sAttvika ahankAram" is needed:) > > All of us, including self, use words like SEshatvam, kainkaryam etc. > interchangeably. However, when it comes to SEshatvam vs pAratantryam, > we need to go into what the terms originally mean. > > I referred to Manavala MamunigaL's commentary for mumukshuppadi and > explanation of Sriman T.K.Gopaplacharya Swami. In that, Sriman T.K. > swami defines what is SEshatvam. He says it is remaining as bhOgyam > for PerumAL, like pushpam, chandanam etc. > > PirAtti's and other dEvIs' SEshatvam to PerumAL is explained in SrI > guNa ratna kOSam of Bhattar in similar terms (bhOgyA vAmapi > nAntarIyakatayA pushpAngarAgai: samam...) > > Dasanudasan > Vishnu ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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