Dear Ms. vaidehi, Yes, lakshmaNA was not able to endure the separation and the Lord was also comfortable when in his company. Yes, the soul puts self effort for upAyam due to "gnAthrthvam" which may lead to thought of following several means to reach Him. the soul has to sift out of several sAsthram-s and preachings and despite its innate 'gnathrthvam' - as it is shrouded by this world and the effects- may come to wrong conlcusions. Hence, the best thing the soul can do is to abide the directions of AzhwAr and AchAryA-s. pArathanthriyam emerges or emanates in the soul once the knowledge that independence and joy for the self-sake are removed. thank you, vanamamalai padmanabhan ----- Original Message ----- From: vaidhehi_nc To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: [ramanuja] Re: bharathA,lakshmaNA and ChathrugNA-2 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear Sri Vanamamalai Padmanabhan, Humble praNAms to you. Along with your continuing post on bharata,satrghna...kindly dispel my doubt. When thAyar is never separated from perumAL(NammAzhvAr's agalagillEn)and we go by SVB:8, why shouldn't we consider lakshmaNa for the same pAratantryam also when he is never separated from the Lord(senRAm kudaiyAm irundhAl simhAsanamAm...)like thAyAr. I would like to be very clear along these lines. Once I listened Sri Chinna Jeeyar swami's upanyAsam on BG(7th chapter and last three slokas). Swamiji said that even when they were in cradle,and when sumitra tried to take lakshmaNa away from the Lord,both started crying! Same thing happened with bharata and satrgna also. Swamiji also narrated a story(not mentioned in vAlmIki rAmAyaNam)wrt Srirama and lakshmaNa. The bottom line of this story is perumAL can't live and miserable without lakshmaNa either!!! It is b'coz of the inherent gnAtrtvam in the individual soul, the jIvA puts self-effort(against pAratantryam)and can have erroneous understanding of the upAyam(like jIvAtma's effort in mOksha;let's ignore the upEyam for we, within the sriramanuja community,know that Lord is the upEyam) the time and also finally indulge in slef-delight! My contention is one can do "complete" self- less service(like lakshmaNa) only when pAratantryam is inherent in that jIvA. Correct me if I'm wrong. I want to be crystal clear with SVB. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam dAsAnu dAsI NC Nappinnai --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxx> wrote: > srEvachana bhUshaNam > sUthram 83 > > "pasiyarAyiruppAr attasORum vuNNa vEANum, adugiRa sORum vuNNavEaNum, ennuma pOlEa, kAttukku pOgiRa pOdhu iLaya perumAL piriyil thariyamaiyai munnittu, adimai seiyya vEANum, ellA adimaiyum seiyya vEANum, yEAvik koLLa vEANum enRAr; > padai vEttil pugundha pinbu kAttil thani idathil swayampAgathAl vayiRRa peRukkina padiyAlEA, oppUN vuNNamAttAdhEa,oru thirukkaiyAlEA thiruveN koRRak kodaiyaiyum, oru thirukkaiyAlEA thiru veN sAmarathaiyum tharithu adimai seidhAr' > > > Those who are very hungry desire to eat the food that is already cooked and also being cooked.When the Lord left for exile, sri rAmA asked lakshmaNA to be at ayOdhyA. The request was "please take me as your kinkaran" Further, he also mentioned that he will not survive if he gets separated from the Lord. > > As per his shEshathvam, sri lakshmaNA desired to serve the LOrd. All kind of services. Blemishless services. Absolutely no independence. To serve as per the dictum of the Lord -yEAvik koLLa vEANum. > > Earlier when they were alone in the forest, sri lakshmaNA had done simultaneously all the kainkaryam-s. Akin to that, unlike others who were contented with just one service, sri lakshmaNA held high, the royal umbrella on the one hand, and the sAmaram on the other. > > Such an outstanding example of 'upEyam' is sri lakshmaNA's character. > (to be continued) > vanamamalai padmanabhan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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