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Dear Ms. vaidehi,
Yes, lakshmaNA was not able to endure the separation and the Lord was also 
comfortable when in his company.

Yes, the soul puts self effort for upAyam due to "gnAthrthvam" which may lead 
to  thought of following several means to reach Him. the soul has to sift out 
of several sAsthram-s and preachings and despite its innate 'gnathrthvam' - as 
it is shrouded by this world and the effects- may come to wrong conlcusions.
Hence, the best thing the soul can do is to abide the directions of AzhwAr and 
AchAryA-s.

pArathanthriyam emerges or emanates in the soul once the knowledge that 
independence and joy for the self-sake are removed.

thank you,
vanamamalai padmanabhan


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: vaidhehi_nc 
  To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:12 PM
  Subject: [ramanuja] Re: bharathA,lakshmaNA and ChathrugNA-2


  Sri:
  Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:
  Dear Sri Vanamamalai Padmanabhan,
               Humble praNAms to you. Along with your continuing post 
  on bharata,satrghna...kindly dispel my doubt. When thAyar is never 
  separated from perumAL(NammAzhvAr's agalagillEn)and we go by SVB:8, 
  why shouldn't we consider lakshmaNa for the same pAratantryam also 
  when he is never separated from the Lord(senRAm kudaiyAm irundhAl 
  simhAsanamAm...)like thAyAr. I would like to be very clear along 
  these lines. Once I listened Sri Chinna Jeeyar swami's upanyAsam on 
  BG(7th chapter and last three slokas). Swamiji said that even when 
  they were in cradle,and when sumitra tried to take lakshmaNa away 
  from the Lord,both started crying! Same thing happened with bharata 
  and satrgna also. Swamiji also narrated a story(not mentioned in 
  vAlmIki rAmAyaNam)wrt Srirama and lakshmaNa. The bottom line of this 
  story is perumAL can't live and miserable without lakshmaNa 
  either!!!  
               It is b'coz of the inherent gnAtrtvam in the individual 
  soul, the jIvA puts self-effort(against pAratantryam)and can have 
  erroneous understanding of the upAyam(like jIvAtma's effort in 
  mOksha;let's ignore the upEyam for we, within the sriramanuja 
  community,know that Lord is the upEyam) the time and also finally 
  indulge in slef-delight! My contention is one can do "complete" self-
  less service(like lakshmaNa) only when pAratantryam is inherent in 
  that jIvA. Correct me if I'm wrong. I want to be crystal clear with 
  SVB. 

  AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
  dAsAnu dAsI
  NC Nappinnai

  --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxx> wrote:
  > srEvachana bhUshaNam 
  > sUthram 83
  > 
  > "pasiyarAyiruppAr attasORum vuNNa vEANum, adugiRa sORum 
  vuNNavEaNum, ennuma pOlEa, kAttukku pOgiRa pOdhu iLaya perumAL 
  piriyil thariyamaiyai munnittu, adimai seiyya vEANum, ellA adimaiyum 
  seiyya vEANum, yEAvik koLLa vEANum enRAr;
  > padai vEttil pugundha pinbu kAttil thani idathil swayampAgathAl 
  vayiRRa peRukkina padiyAlEA, oppUN vuNNamAttAdhEa,oru thirukkaiyAlEA 
  thiruveN koRRak kodaiyaiyum, oru thirukkaiyAlEA thiru veN 
  sAmarathaiyum tharithu adimai seidhAr'
  > 
  > 
  > Those who are very hungry desire to eat the food that is already 
  cooked and also being cooked.When the Lord left for exile, sri rAmA 
  asked lakshmaNA to be at ayOdhyA. The request was "please take me as 
  your kinkaran" Further, he also mentioned that he will not survive 
  if he gets separated from the Lord. 
  > 
  > As per his shEshathvam, sri lakshmaNA desired to serve the LOrd. 
  All kind of services. Blemishless services. Absolutely no 
  independence. To serve as per the dictum of the Lord -yEAvik koLLa 
  vEANum.
  > 
  > Earlier when they were alone in the forest, sri lakshmaNA had done 
  simultaneously all the kainkaryam-s. Akin to that, unlike others who 
  were contented with just one service, sri lakshmaNA held high, the 
  royal umbrella on the one hand, and the sAmaram on the other. 
  > 
  > Such an outstanding example of 'upEyam' is sri lakshmaNA's 
  character.
  > (to be continued)
  > vanamamalai padmanabhan
  > 
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




  azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam



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