Dear sriTCA, I am losing track of the whole thing. For clarity, let me recall the sequence. * First it was nAnmugan thiruvandhAdhi. Then, the question of why thiru-vallikkEANi and why not thiruk-kuRungudi came up. Then the qulities of thirukkuRungudi amidst a mild rejoinder. The explanation to why thiruvallikkEaNi, if I remember correctly talked about 'sAthvika ahankAram' Then ahankAram of any sort is not to be entertained - came floating around. NO,- sAthvika ahankAram is desirable came up- illai enakkadhir was oft quoted. Then came up the discussion on pArathanthriyam and shEshathvam mumuKshuppadi suthram 92 came up for discussion. sri lakshmaNA was then quoted but later rejected for lack of pArathanthriyam as he did not obey the Lord's words. The srivachana bhUshaNam sUthram-s and nedumARkadimai pAsuram-s emerged. Still lakshmaNA was not found to be in majority as bharathA bagged more votes. For this, sri peirya vAchAn piLLai vyAkyAnam and nam-piLLai vyAkyAnam-s surfaced. The order of importance in the ascending was then given, rAmA, lakshmaNA, bharathA and chathrugNA. Now , I am a bit clear. I just wanted to mention that lakshmaNa is being quoted as a classic example of upEyam both in srEvachaNa bhUshaNam and in thiru-voi-mozhi -ozhivil kAlam ellAm vudanAi manni. The terms in the first pAsuram 'vudanAi manni and vazhuvilA' -nam-piLLAi vyAkyAnam goes to prove this point unequivocally. Yes, he had pArathanthriyam, shEshathvam bereft of independence while doing service to the Lord-vazhuvila adimai, ozhivil kAlamellAm adimai and vudanAi manni adimai.This is indeed outstanding example of service to the Lord -these three characteristics --all type of services like achith. Hence, one cannot ignore this oft repeated reference to iLaya-perumAl when talking about upEyam.In fact, swAmi nam-piLLai has clearly referred to sri bharathAzhwAn in this vyAkyAnam and has picked up lakshmANA for this vyAkyAnam. This also goes in line with the srEvachana bhUshaNa sUthram on upEyam or the other way around. Then, you may question what happens to the vyAkyAnam-s which you quoted from kaNNinuN siruthAmbu and sri peirya-vAchAn piLLai. Well, the above -ozhivil kAlam -referring to iLaya perumAL is with specific micro reference to upEyam. While, the reference to bharathA is regarding pArathanthriyam at a macro level and not with particular reference to upEyam.( that is why perhaps, sri lakshmaNA is referred to for upEaym and not for upAyam) If we think in these lines, there will be no contradicitons and the ascending order of greatness will hold good even in this angle. I hope I am clear. Thank YOu for a interesting sequence and i am not aware where this is finally leading to. rAmAnuja dAsan vanamamalai padmanabhan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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