Dear Swamins / Bhagavathas, I apologize for mistakes if any. > That is why we often correlate iLaya-perumAL with the thiru-voi- mozhip pAsuram > "vozhivil kAlam ellAm vudanAi manni, vazhuvilA adimai seiyya vEANum nAm" 3-3-1; Lakshmana is quoted for "udanAi manni", but his failure is known in "vazhuvilA adimai". No doubt Lakshmana, Bharatha and Shatrugna are quoted in different contexts for different amazing facets of prapannas. "udanAi manni" has to be understood in the context of functional separation. As my Swamy used to say, Paramathma is always within us. He is never separated out. So why would we want to be with him? Though we are not separated out of Him structurally / phenomenally / physically, we are separated out functionally via disobedience, ignorance etc. Lakshmana need not have been physically with the Lord to perform kainkaryam. So, in the context of "aham sarvam karishyAmi", Lakshmana did prove his Seshatvam, but, he was a big failure in terms of pAratantryam. "vazhuvilA adimai" was what Bharatha did. If the Lord says "you do this", you better do it, be it whatever.. That is the state of a paratantran. Rama tried the same thing with Hanuman too and Hanuman too failed in this case. Rama asked Hanuman to come to Vaikuntam. Hanuman denied giving some excellent reasons. Who cares... Rama was definitely led down by Hanuman at that point. Well, Bharatha had his own mistakes in wounding the lord. He never ruled Ayodhya. He fulfilled Rama's order only half the way. He quit from forest and returned to Ayodhya. It was Shatrugna who made the Lord happy by keeping all his people happy via ruling the country. Bottom line is, these three brothers were role-models in different angles, and no one could ever try to blame these. But, as a matter of analysis, when a comparison is made, it helps us understand the state of different prapannas. That is why Acharyas have kept different levels like Shatrugnan padi, Bharathan padi and Lakshmanan padi. I understand we must only try to see the best out of anything and so must be with historical prapannas. Like Koorathawar said, "he lost his eyes because he probably thought some time some where that some Bhagavatha's Thiruman was not properly put", if we try to find fault with them, we naturally suffer for the same. Since this subject of pAratantryam is off the usual ones, I have tried to explain what I have heard from the kalakshepams. Kindly pardon me of all my ignorance. I hope everyone views these posts as an analysis on prapannas' state of mind, rather than grasping the so called faults of the quoted historical characters. sarva aparAdhAn kshamasva. Adiyen, Ramanuja dAsan Off the line, I humbly feel, no one else other than the Lord himself could depict such wonderful pAratantrym as in the case of Parashu Rama chopping off His own mother's head when instructed by His father Jamadagni. --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxx> wrote: > Dear SrEvaishNavites, > I > Why did sri lakshmaNA refuse to heed sri ramA's direction to remain at ayOdhyA? though this question is not directly taken up, the comentary -sri maNavALa mAmunikal's vyAkyAnam has addressed this issue. > > Two reasons have been attributed. 1. lakshmaNA could not stand separation from the Lord. 2. He wanted to do all the service to the Lord- that is why he mentioned 'aham sarvam karishyAmi' > > Why should he say 'i will do all ' . This can also be inferred from the vyAkyAnam: > "inna inna adimai seiyya vEaNum enRa oru niyadhi inRikkEa, ellA adimaiyum seiyya vEANum ennum" > > An event has been quoted here. When they were in pancha-vati, sri rAmA asked lakshmaNA to build a parNa-sAlA at a place which is located near water source and is also in a shadow area. sri lakshmANA felt doomed. Why? He felt that Lord had mounted independence on him. > 'nam thalaiyilEa swAthantharyathai vaitha pOdhu perumAL nammai kaivittAr enRu vikrutharAi, pirAtti munnilaiyAga kaiyum anjaliyumAga ninRu- "yEavik-koLLa vEANum' enRu prArthithAr. > > The blemish of independence should not mix while doing kainkaryam. > > II. In the 85th sUthram the important characteristics of upAyam and upEyam are highlighted. > "upAyathukku sakthiyum,lajjaiyum, yathnamum kulaiya vEANum; > upEyathukku, prEAmamum, thannaip pEANAmaiyum, thariyAmaiyum vEANum" srEvacahana bhUshaNam. > > For upEyam - Immense emotional attachment and affection towards the Lord which propels oneself not to be separated from Him adn do all the services.sri laksmaNA excelled in this. > > Recalling the event referred hereinabove, it is crystal clear that lakshmaNA had feared independence while performing kainkaryam thus removing the defect of independence and self enjoyment in the shEshathvam. > > Does this not make iLaya perumAL a true role model of upEyam. > > That is why we often correlate iLaya-perumAL with the thiru-voi- mozhip pAsuram > "vozhivil kAlam ellAm vudanAi manni, vazhuvilA adimai seiyya vEANum nAm" 3-3-1; > > 'lakshmaNO lakshmi sampannA:!" > > concluded > rAmAnuja dAsan > vanamamalai padmanabhan > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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