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Likewise can anyody give the real meaning of
Poigaiazhwar's paadal "Aran Naranan Namam
Aanvidai.....uruvam ericar mayni ondru"

The interpretation by Sujatha is available in the
following site which also establishes that Sivan and
Narayanan are one and the same.

http://www.desikan.com/blogcms/wiki/index.php?id=azhvar_sujatha_pogai

Adiyean
Ramani

--- "Anand  Sowmithiran (IE10)"
<Anand.Sowmithiran@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Thanks very much for detailed explanation.
> 
> I was thrilled to read that "irandu uruvam ondrai"
> refers to Sri: being
> inseparable from Lord, because that's how I had
> imagined/guessed/expected it to reflect - I've
> alteast absorbed tiny
> drops from the great ocean of Sri Mukkur swamy's
> 'Lakshmi vaibhavam'
> pravachanam.
> 
> dasan,
> Anand.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S.
> [mailto:sudarsanp@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:33 PM
> To: Anand Sowmithiran (IE10);
> SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Article on 'sankara
> narayanar'
> 
> Sri RAmajayam
> SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha
> 
> Dear Sri.Anand,
>                AdiyEn heard SrimUshnam Srimad
> Andavan
> on this PAsuram (at the home of a Sri Vaishnavite at
> Nathamuni St, T.Nagar, Chennai-17), especially in
> light of a huge controversy raised by the current
> pontiff of Kanchi Sankara mutt, several years back. 
> 
> SrimUshnam Srimad Andavan not only explained this
> PAsuram, based on PoorvAcharya GranthAs, but went on
> to even take Thirupugazh and other Saivite works
> where
> the NayanmArs themselves have related to the Lord of
> Thirumalai as ThirumAl.  Repeatedly Sri.Nrusimha
> Priya
> also answers this question, quoting even from
> Advaitic
> experts who have concluded that it is "SriNivasan".
> 
> ThAzh Sadaiyum, Neel Mudiyum Onmazhuvum
> Chakaramum....refers to PerumAl with his Divya
> Soundharya ThirumEni with long matted hair, adorning
> Srivatsa on his heart, and Sudarsana in his hand.   
> 
> Iranduruvum onrai Isainthu....here the meaning is,
> the
> Lord never appears Single.   With Srivatsam he
> appears
> to us always as Divya Dhampathi (so in any ThirumEni
> of the Lord we worship ThAyAr in Srivatsam, then the
> Lords feet and then enjoy the full ThirumEni of the
> Lord).    With Kausthubam, representing us, the Lord
> is the complete manifestation of us in him. 
> SarIra-SarIri Bhava as per VisishtAvaita Siddhantam.
>  
>  Many AzhwAr PAsuram speaks of this message and all
> the AzhwArs have given us this message, without
> fail. 
> 
> 
> So its amply clear not only from this PAsuram,
> several
> other AzhvAr PAsuram, PoorvAchArya VyAkyAnam to
> Prakrutham AchAryas, consistently the same
> interpretation has been delivered. 
> 
> Wrong interpretations are not suprising (AdiyEn was
> reading Meiviratha Manyam of Swamy DEsikan, where
> Swamy categorically states these confusions are due
> to
> Sage Gautamas curse), which is the reason we see
> such
> "free interpretations" without having to bother
> about
> our PoorvAchAryas message (malice or Vibareetha
> JnAnam).  These are the same people who propagate
> new
> fusion gods which have no Agamic basis (Prathyankara
> Devi, fusion AnjanEyar-PillaiyAr, PAshandis who
> claim
> they are God/AvatAr etc)....lets follow the
> teachings
> of our PoorvAcharyas which should keep us away from
> these falsehood.
> 
> 
> AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan,
> 
> Sudarsana DAsOsmi
> 
> --- "Anand  Sowmithiran (IE10)"
> <Anand.Sowmithiran@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Namaskarams.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > There is an article in the latest issue of Sakthi
> > Vikatan, wherein
> > "sankara narayanar" deity is explained, there they
> > have quoted "thaazh
> > sadayum, neel mudiyum" Paasuram and say Azhwar
> > refers to Lord at
> > Tirupathi having both "sankara" and "narayana"
> forms
> > in a single image.
> > 
> > I couldn't accept this but was not knowing the
> > meaning of the words at
> > the end of the paasuram "Irandu uruvum ondraai
> > isaindhu" [2 forms merged
> > into one]?
> > 
> > Can one of you explain this paasuram, it will help
> > many others from our
> > sampradayam to have clear thoughts about this.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > adiyen,
> > 
> > Anand.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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