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SrI:

Dear Sri Ramani :

Sivan and NarayaNan are not the one in Sri VaishNava
SampradhAyam .

This position has been soundly established by
AzhwArs and AchAryAs . The AzhwArs paasuram's true meanings
has been commented upon in depth to prove the point .

This topic may not be the best one for debate in e-mail list .
If you or others are interested in knowing more
about this , I will be happy to refer you to the right
references .

V.Sadagopan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ramani seshadri venkat" <ramani_seshadri@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Anand Sowmithiran (IE10)" <Anand.Sowmithiran@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Sudarsan 
Parthasarathy.S." <sudarsanp@xxxxxxxxx>; <SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: [SriRangaSri] Article on 'sankara narayanar'


> Likewise can anyody give the real meaning of
> Poigaiazhwar's paadal "Aran Naranan Namam
> Aanvidai.....uruvam ericar mayni ondru"
>
> The interpretation by Sujatha is available in the
> following site which also establishes that Sivan and
> Narayanan are one and the same.
>
> http://www.desikan.com/blogcms/wiki/index.php?id=azhvar_sujatha_pogai
>
> Adiyean
> Ramani
>
> --- "Anand  Sowmithiran (IE10)"
> <Anand.Sowmithiran@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Thanks very much for detailed explanation.
>>
>> I was thrilled to read that "irandu uruvam ondrai"
>> refers to Sri: being
>> inseparable from Lord, because that's how I had
>> imagined/guessed/expected it to reflect - I've
>> alteast absorbed tiny
>> drops from the great ocean of Sri Mukkur swamy's
>> 'Lakshmi vaibhavam'
>> pravachanam.
>>
>> dasan,
>> Anand.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S.
>> [mailto:sudarsanp@xxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:33 PM
>> To: Anand Sowmithiran (IE10);
>> SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Article on 'sankara
>> narayanar'
>>
>> Sri RAmajayam
>> SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha
>>
>> Dear Sri.Anand,
>>                AdiyEn heard SrimUshnam Srimad
>> Andavan
>> on this PAsuram (at the home of a Sri Vaishnavite at
>> Nathamuni St, T.Nagar, Chennai-17), especially in
>> light of a huge controversy raised by the current
>> pontiff of Kanchi Sankara mutt, several years back.
>>
>> SrimUshnam Srimad Andavan not only explained this
>> PAsuram, based on PoorvAcharya GranthAs, but went on
>> to even take Thirupugazh and other Saivite works
>> where
>> the NayanmArs themselves have related to the Lord of
>> Thirumalai as ThirumAl.  Repeatedly Sri.Nrusimha
>> Priya
>> also answers this question, quoting even from
>> Advaitic
>> experts who have concluded that it is "SriNivasan".
>>
>> ThAzh Sadaiyum, Neel Mudiyum Onmazhuvum
>> Chakaramum....refers to PerumAl with his Divya
>> Soundharya ThirumEni with long matted hair, adorning
>> Srivatsa on his heart, and Sudarsana in his hand.
>>
>> Iranduruvum onrai Isainthu....here the meaning is,
>> the
>> Lord never appears Single.   With Srivatsam he
>> appears
>> to us always as Divya Dhampathi (so in any ThirumEni
>> of the Lord we worship ThAyAr in Srivatsam, then the
>> Lords feet and then enjoy the full ThirumEni of the
>> Lord).    With Kausthubam, representing us, the Lord
>> is the complete manifestation of us in him.
>> SarIra-SarIri Bhava as per VisishtAvaita Siddhantam.
>>
>>  Many AzhwAr PAsuram speaks of this message and all
>> the AzhwArs have given us this message, without
>> fail.
>>
>>
>> So its amply clear not only from this PAsuram,
>> several
>> other AzhvAr PAsuram, PoorvAchArya VyAkyAnam to
>> Prakrutham AchAryas, consistently the same
>> interpretation has been delivered.
>>
>> Wrong interpretations are not suprising (AdiyEn was
>> reading Meiviratha Manyam of Swamy DEsikan, where
>> Swamy categorically states these confusions are due
>> to
>> Sage Gautamas curse), which is the reason we see
>> such
>> "free interpretations" without having to bother
>> about
>> our PoorvAchAryas message (malice or Vibareetha
>> JnAnam).  These are the same people who propagate
>> new
>> fusion gods which have no Agamic basis (Prathyankara
>> Devi, fusion AnjanEyar-PillaiyAr, PAshandis who
>> claim
>> they are God/AvatAr etc)....lets follow the
>> teachings
>> of our PoorvAcharyas which should keep us away from
>> these falsehood.
>>
>>
>> AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan,
>>
>> Sudarsana DAsOsmi
>>
>> --- "Anand  Sowmithiran (IE10)"
>> <Anand.Sowmithiran@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaskarams.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There is an article in the latest issue of Sakthi
>> > Vikatan, wherein
>> > "sankara narayanar" deity is explained, there they
>> > have quoted "thaazh
>> > sadayum, neel mudiyum" Paasuram and say Azhwar
>> > refers to Lord at
>> > Tirupathi having both "sankara" and "narayana"
>> forms
>> > in a single image.
>> >
>> > I couldn't accept this but was not knowing the
>> > meaning of the words at
>> > the end of the paasuram "Irandu uruvum ondraai
>> > isaindhu" [2 forms merged
>> > into one]?
>> >
>> > Can one of you explain this paasuram, it will help
>> > many others from our
>> > sampradayam to have clear thoughts about this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > adiyen,
>> >
>> > Anand.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
>> > removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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