SrI: Dear Sri Ramani : Sivan and NarayaNan are not the one in Sri VaishNava SampradhAyam . This position has been soundly established by AzhwArs and AchAryAs . The AzhwArs paasuram's true meanings has been commented upon in depth to prove the point . This topic may not be the best one for debate in e-mail list . If you or others are interested in knowing more about this , I will be happy to refer you to the right references . V.Sadagopan ----- Original Message ----- From: "ramani seshadri venkat" <ramani_seshadri@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Anand Sowmithiran (IE10)" <Anand.Sowmithiran@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S." <sudarsanp@xxxxxxxxx>; <SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:07 AM Subject: RE: [SriRangaSri] Article on 'sankara narayanar' > Likewise can anyody give the real meaning of > Poigaiazhwar's paadal "Aran Naranan Namam > Aanvidai.....uruvam ericar mayni ondru" > > The interpretation by Sujatha is available in the > following site which also establishes that Sivan and > Narayanan are one and the same. > > http://www.desikan.com/blogcms/wiki/index.php?id=azhvar_sujatha_pogai > > Adiyean > Ramani > > --- "Anand Sowmithiran (IE10)" > <Anand.Sowmithiran@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Thanks very much for detailed explanation. >> >> I was thrilled to read that "irandu uruvam ondrai" >> refers to Sri: being >> inseparable from Lord, because that's how I had >> imagined/guessed/expected it to reflect - I've >> alteast absorbed tiny >> drops from the great ocean of Sri Mukkur swamy's >> 'Lakshmi vaibhavam' >> pravachanam. >> >> dasan, >> Anand. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S. >> [mailto:sudarsanp@xxxxxxxxx] >> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:33 PM >> To: Anand Sowmithiran (IE10); >> SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Article on 'sankara >> narayanar' >> >> Sri RAmajayam >> SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha >> >> Dear Sri.Anand, >> AdiyEn heard SrimUshnam Srimad >> Andavan >> on this PAsuram (at the home of a Sri Vaishnavite at >> Nathamuni St, T.Nagar, Chennai-17), especially in >> light of a huge controversy raised by the current >> pontiff of Kanchi Sankara mutt, several years back. >> >> SrimUshnam Srimad Andavan not only explained this >> PAsuram, based on PoorvAcharya GranthAs, but went on >> to even take Thirupugazh and other Saivite works >> where >> the NayanmArs themselves have related to the Lord of >> Thirumalai as ThirumAl. Repeatedly Sri.Nrusimha >> Priya >> also answers this question, quoting even from >> Advaitic >> experts who have concluded that it is "SriNivasan". >> >> ThAzh Sadaiyum, Neel Mudiyum Onmazhuvum >> Chakaramum....refers to PerumAl with his Divya >> Soundharya ThirumEni with long matted hair, adorning >> Srivatsa on his heart, and Sudarsana in his hand. >> >> Iranduruvum onrai Isainthu....here the meaning is, >> the >> Lord never appears Single. With Srivatsam he >> appears >> to us always as Divya Dhampathi (so in any ThirumEni >> of the Lord we worship ThAyAr in Srivatsam, then the >> Lords feet and then enjoy the full ThirumEni of the >> Lord). With Kausthubam, representing us, the Lord >> is the complete manifestation of us in him. >> SarIra-SarIri Bhava as per VisishtAvaita Siddhantam. >> >> Many AzhwAr PAsuram speaks of this message and all >> the AzhwArs have given us this message, without >> fail. >> >> >> So its amply clear not only from this PAsuram, >> several >> other AzhvAr PAsuram, PoorvAchArya VyAkyAnam to >> Prakrutham AchAryas, consistently the same >> interpretation has been delivered. >> >> Wrong interpretations are not suprising (AdiyEn was >> reading Meiviratha Manyam of Swamy DEsikan, where >> Swamy categorically states these confusions are due >> to >> Sage Gautamas curse), which is the reason we see >> such >> "free interpretations" without having to bother >> about >> our PoorvAchAryas message (malice or Vibareetha >> JnAnam). These are the same people who propagate >> new >> fusion gods which have no Agamic basis (Prathyankara >> Devi, fusion AnjanEyar-PillaiyAr, PAshandis who >> claim >> they are God/AvatAr etc)....lets follow the >> teachings >> of our PoorvAcharyas which should keep us away from >> these falsehood. >> >> >> AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, >> >> Sudarsana DAsOsmi >> >> --- "Anand Sowmithiran (IE10)" >> <Anand.Sowmithiran@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > Namaskarams. >> > >> > >> > >> > There is an article in the latest issue of Sakthi >> > Vikatan, wherein >> > "sankara narayanar" deity is explained, there they >> > have quoted "thaazh >> > sadayum, neel mudiyum" Paasuram and say Azhwar >> > refers to Lord at >> > Tirupathi having both "sankara" and "narayana" >> forms >> > in a single image. >> > >> > I couldn't accept this but was not knowing the >> > meaning of the words at >> > the end of the paasuram "Irandu uruvum ondraai >> > isaindhu" [2 forms merged >> > into one]? >> > >> > Can one of you explain this paasuram, it will help >> > many others from our >> > sampradayam to have clear thoughts about this. >> > >> > >> > >> > adiyen, >> > >> > Anand. >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been >> > removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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