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Dear SrImathi Maya Iyengar:

Please do not be hurt over the exchanges relating to 
your mail on your impassioned plea for using the tools 
of science in an effort to comprehend the intricacies of
ArchA Moorthy ( Consecrated Forms , where the Lord 
resides for accepting our AarAdhanam). 

I am  a scientist  by training and have a Doctor's degree
from the top most Scientific& Engineering University , 
Massachusetts Institue Of Technology (MIT) . Many 
Members of the list are Medical Doctors and Technical
Professionals . All of us have high regard to Science
and its tools to open up  new frontiers for saving lives
and reduce suffering and to travel to far off planets and
their  Moons  .

Many of us , call ourselves rationalists or traditonalists do 
not believe Science as a tool can be of much help 
in spiritual matters. Faith takes over , where Science
is unable to help . There is no irreconceilable conflict 
between science and Religion (Knowledge and belief ).
They are not irreconceilable antagonists as stated by
Einstein . He says further: " A religious person is devout in 
the sense that he or she has no doubt about the significance
and loftiness of specific super-personal objects and goals , 
which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation "
( in a scientific sense) .

The devout are steeped in Mahaa Viswasam about the Lord's
rakshakathvam and are like children crossing a road holding
firmly the hands of its Father . They have implicit and total faith
in the protective capability of the Lord(Father)  and are not looking for 
a rational explanation to convince themselves as to why and how 
the Lord is their protector (Rakshakan ). After many births ,
they hold on to the Lord's sacred feet and recognize that
they have no recourse except the Lord and the Lord does
not dare to shake the firm grip of the devout . These feeling
states are beyond analysis by scientific methods or tools.
That is the way it is ! 

This is not to say that the role of Science in Vedic way of
life is minimal or nonexistent . The VedAs and Upanishads 
accept and celebrate the Lord as the source of all knowledge.
Inspired by the Vedic Texts , the Rishis of Vedic age " developed
their positive sciences and made the world worth while to live in
with comforts and purposefulness". The rotations and revolutions
of earth , planets and Sun (astronomy ) were developed 
by the likes of Aryabhatta et al. The concept of Zero( Kham),
the reciprocal of Infinity and Mathematical Infinity were developed 
form here ." Besides Mathematical infinity , God Himself was 
recognized as the Infinite Unity ". 

The Science of Vedic geometry arose from Vedic Rishis .  There are
references to all kinds of mechanical systems in VedAs (Mechanical
Engineering) . The healing powers of herbs against specific
diseases ( the science of Pharmacology ) has been recorded 
in Atharva Vedam in great detail. The dangers of Tuberclosis 
and its cure has been covered in several hymns of Atarva Vedam . 
The world of herbs (Botany ) and animals ( Zoology) are covered
again in VedAs . One can go on and on about physical sciences .
But the Vedic rishis had some thing beyond the physical sciences 
and developed AdhyAthmika Saasthrams dealing with the metaphysical
tatthvams of the indissoluble  kinship between the Lord of the Universe 
and the Jeevans , which are both co-eternal. 

Science ravels along and soon is confounded by its own 
limits . We travel with science and come to the stage , where 
we seek more answers and insights that Science can not give.
Our sights are lifted  , our hearts are thrilled and we bask under 
the warmth of the  wisdom of the Rg Vedic manthram ( X. 121.5):

" By Him , the heavens are strong and the earth is steadfast ;
by HIm light's realm and sky-vault are supported ; By Him the regions 
in the mid-air are measured . To that Lord alone , May we offer 
our adoration " . The concept of ananya gathithvam , Aakinchnyam ,
SaraNAgathy arose from such insights .

If the physical Scientists are blessed to have the initiation into the 
AdhyAthmic
Science under the tutelage of a SadAchAryan , they are doubly gifted indeed .
One does not need however to be trained in Scientific disciplines 
to derive the full benefit of AdhyAthmic Science .

Just Some Thoughts in passing  !

NamO NaarAyaNAya ,
V.Sadagopan  

  

  

  




    




----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Maya Iyengar 
  To: sarathys@xxxxxxxxxxx ; jayasartn@xxxxxxxxx ; kdevanathan@xxxxxxxxxxx ; 
mksudarshan2002@xxxxxxxxxxx ; Vijaya Raghavan ; s.ramachandran@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; 
Sadagopan ; ramachandran soundararajan ; srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:17 AM
  Subject: Fwd: Moolavar


  Dear devotees,

  I was shocked beyond belief to see the responses to the report quoted from 
Indian express on moolavar and the complete black-out of the mail I sent as a 
sequel to SriRangaSri. When I came to know that relevance has been attached to 
the shila roopam, the materials used for abhishekam etc, I was over-awed how 
every aspect in our tradition has evolved with such rich meaning. With this 
thought when I look around it is that "Kaangindra porulellam yaane ennum..". As 
I look into my Human physiology book, every aspect tallies with the upanishad 
statement that this body of ours is the shareeram for brahman and it is he who 
controls it as the sarathy. The descent of 11 out of 12 cranial nerves upto 
heart (only) and the remaining one coming to the stomach looks like Vishnu as 
Vaiswanara pervading the body through the food he cooks in the stomach. Every 
system inside the body as a part and the control by brain as a whole (I am 
leaving out details of connectivity here because I am yet to come to grips with 
the fact that people here do not want one to think) is an amazing aspect of 
Brahman 'happening' from macro to micro level. There is wonderful symmetry at 
all levels of creation, only that the human brain limited by hypocrisy and 
dogmas refuse to fall in line. It seems God has tough time dealing with us only 
- to goad to make us see reason and realise him. When a writer (writing on the 
moolavar) tells his little son that Thiruvaadi pporam was the birth day of 
'Goddess' and that her age is as old as that of earth, no one would correct it. 
Because that would be apacharam (according to the members of the group).. But 
that he lost a wonderful chance to tell his son the story of Andal (who would 
have denounced any reference to herself as goddess) and the easy way to explain 
the road to spirituality by means of her story is not at all realised. Going by 
this kind of attitude, I very well understand how and why our sacred knowledge 
of the past had undergone so much mutilation over generations. For the bhktas 
of today, bhakti is a means to get this or that result including moksham. But I 
don't think our texts ascribed to this view. They said if you expect some 
return for bhakti from Perumal then it is tantamount to a wife expecting 
'kooli' from her husband for the happiness he had given her. On the other hand 
we find texts telling us to meditate upon him through knowledge (which I find 
through science and logic too) which in essence is bhakti which is para bhakti 
leading to him. When you do upasana on him through vigyana, you see him as 
vigyana mayan. Can any one challenge this? Then why this fear about science?

  I told my parents my fear and doubt whether it is impossible to find one 
belonging to our fold who understands or is desirous of understanding god 
through bhakti as well as knowledge from science. At least are there people who 
realise that knowledge that leads to bhakti has been regarded by seers like 
Ramanujacharya as a way of Brahmo-upasana, which Ramanujachrya himeself 
followed? They said they too had not seen (so far) both to co-exist. Perhaps it 
is Narayana alone who can understand me. So keep chanting " Sriranganatha, 
mamanatha, namosthuthe", they said. 

  It is with much pain that I decide to come out of the group which in my 
opinion has touched only the tip of the burg as far as promoting and sustaining 
the essence of Vedic knowledge is concerned but can not help the devotee to 
keep an open and fresh mind as to allow "all noble thoughts come to them from 
all sides".

  Regards, 

  Maya.



  Note: forwarded message attached.


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