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SrimathE Nigamantha Mahadesikaya Nama:

SrimathE Sundara Sowmyanarayanaya Mahadesikaya Nama:

SrimathE Ramanujaya Mahadesikaya Nama:

 SrimathE Sowmyanarayana Mahadesikaya Nama:

 

SrI:

 

Sri Venkata Ramani had asked a doubt regarding my previous email on chanting 
rudram. Adiyen requested asmad acharyan, U. Ve SowyaNarayanachariar swami - 
maruman and sishya of Sri ghostipuram Ramanujacharya swami, to kindly clarify 
this. He merely out of his "nirhEtuka krupa" beautifully elucidated the subject 
in question without minding me disturbing him late in the night! This kaarunyam 
is swaroopa niroopaka dharmam of all our srivaishanava sadacharyas!!!  Adiyen 
shall try the best to translate asmad acharyan's words in English.

 

 

As I had mentioned in my previous email, none among the  thraivarnikas can 
refrain from chanting veda bhagams, be it a prapanna or non-prapanna, just 
because it has SEEMINGLY devathaantra namas.  Sri-Visishta- Narayana is  the 
only Veda- ArAdhya devathai.  All others like Brahma, Siva, myself, yourself 
and others are EQUALLY irrelevant when it is the question of  Vedic worship. 
All namas represent Him only. When the Nithya and Naimithikka Karma mantras are 
chanted one should understand that it is only sriman narayana who is being 
praised. So it does not endanger "Svanishta" of a prapanna by any means.

 

A prapanna is not supposed to have any sort of association with devathantra 
under situations not related to Nithya and Naimithikka karmas like 
sandhayavandanam and tharpanams. Swami desikan asserts this with the strength 
of the following pramana from "Sandilya smrithi" mentioned in  "Charamasloka 
adhikaram" of Srimad Saram.

 

 

Budhha-Rudraadi vasatim smaSAnam savamEva cha |

atavIm rAjadhAnim cha dhoorata: parivarjayEth ||    ( PRAMANA  A)  

 

Meaning : Refrain yourself completely ( parivarjayEth) from the place where 
bhuddha and rudra resides,  graveyard, dead bodies, dreadful forests and 
capital of a country.

 

Here Buddhaa, though  a vishnu avathara, has to be discarded because of his 
"Mohana saastra pravachanam" to disuade the aasura prakruthis who do apacharams 
to his bhaktas.  Rudra also did "Mohana saastra pravachanam" to disuade the 
people who committed apacharam to Goutama maharishi. Also he lacks 
Subhaasrayatvam and will only plunge us deep into samsaric whirlpool !!( there 
are pramanas for this too, which I shall not quote here for brevity).

 

When saastras say that we should keep away from shiva temples by "dandaappUpa 
Nyayam" it also applies to the names by which he is addressed.

 

In my previous email I had mentioned that a prapanna does not say " siva rudra" 
while he sits instead of  madhava,  madhu soodhana. As there are spasta 
vachanams that prescribes the namas to be chanted while performing various 
actions. While going out of one's gruham " Kesavan " is to be meditated. While 
partaking prasadam - Govinda nama. While going to "yoga nithrai" a prapanna 
meditates on Madhavan and while getting up chants "hari " nama 7 times ( the 
no. of times is also mentioned ). Both hari and madhava are Sriman Narayana's 
nama only but a srivaishnava never chants hari nama instead of madhava while 
going to yoga nithrai. For example, in Munitraya sampradaya pravartakar 
Gopaladesikan's aahinkam it is mentioned  " madhava sabdEna bhagavantam 
keertayan  ... tamEva hrudi dhyaayan sukena sayitha" and while getting up " 
brahma moorthe samprApthE nidrAm parityajya, saptakrutvO harisabdam 
keerthayan...". So when there is spasta vachanam to chant the particular nama 
one does not take
 recourse to " yukti" and chant inappropriate namas. This is asserted by swami 
desikan, in his Sri chatusloki bhashyam,  as "vachana virOdhE 
nyAyasyAnavakAsAth"  that is when there is spasta vachanam to chant a 
particular nama he does not bring in Jaimini and a whole lot of nyayas and 
chant rudra or any other nama.  Micheal jackson is also Sriman Narayana's 
thirunamam according to jaimini but no one does deva rishi pithru tharpanam 
employing this name! 

 

So a prapanna is not bothered about all these. He strictly goes according to 
saastras. saastraas say you have to perform all naimitha karmas and all these 
karmas are nothing but aradhana of emperuman, so he performs them. At the same 
time the pramana A quoted above, forbids him to have devantara sambandam so he 
relates this pramana to situations other than Nithya Naimithikka karmas so as 
not to discard any pramana. It is Sri Bhagavad Ramanuja sampradaya to avoid 
discarding a saatvika pramana against another saatvika pramana and give 
consistent explanation for both of them.

 

 

Also for anyone be it prapanna or a non-prapanna "sishtaachaaram" ( that is 
anushtanam of poorvikaas) is more important than vedas itself. Thats why 
Apastamba maharishi said " dharmasya samaya pradhanam vedaas cha". Andal 
beautifully said " saiyaadana chaiyOm". i.e. we won't do something that our 
poorvikaas avoided, even if it hailed as a superior dharma by vedas. We know 
that Ramakrishna and venkataramani are undoubtedly sriman narayana's nama but 
do we find a Sri sampraya vaishnava having that nama? NO! because it is not in 
our sishtaacharam! In sishtaacharam we never saw an sadaacharyan chanting rudra 
nama during a nama sankeertana. If our sishtacharam prescribes one nama for a  
particular thing one obeys it!! That is the greatness. The profit is you won't 
be misled if you follow the footsteps of our great sath sampradaya poorvikaas!!

 

These days there is too much of clamouring about devathantra sambandam in the 
egroup. There can't be a worse apacharam than to ask a prapanna why he avoids 
devatantra sambandam. It is like arguing against a pathivrathai regarding her 
pathni sambandam only with her pathy. It will only insult them! But this email 
by Sri Rajaram Venkataramani, I can understand is rather academic and 
inquisitive aimed at clarifying one's own doubts.

 

Whatever correct thing written above  undoubtedly can only be attributed to 
asmad acharyan who taught me all this in detail and  whom I love more than mere 
respect!! The mistakes are only mine. 

 

AcharyALum BhagavthALum KatAkshikkavEnum. 

 

AdiyEn,

PAdhukAdAsan

Aravindalochanadaasanudasan

 


Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sri Aravind, It is an intelligent post. You said :

then why does not a prapanna chant those names in circumstances other than 
vedic or nithyakarmas ? This is forbidden by Swami desikan with the strength of 
pramanas. Unless there is a situation like vedic chanting/ nithya karma like 
sandhyavandanam, a prapanna does not employ those namas! for example while 
sitting down instead of " madhava madhusoodana " he does not say " Rudra siva " 
:))

1) If rudra, siva are names of vishnu only as it is in vedas, sahasranama etc., 
why does a prapanna not say that ? 

2) What are the pramanas quoted by Swami Desikan ? 


            
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