b-greek-digest V1 #553

b-greek-digest            Monday, 23 January 1995      Volume 01 : Number 553

In this issue:

        Re: b-greek-digest V1 #552 
        Seminary Greek Requirements
        Eph 2:8, "Faithfulness" 
        Re: Entry Level Greek Texts
        Re:  Eph 2:8, "Faithfulness"


From: DDDJ@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 12:38:15 -0500
Subject: Re: b-greek-digest V1 #552 

Here at SMSU they require two years of a language or you can test out


From: Leroy Huizenga 1996 <huizenga@acc.jc.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 13:27:43 -36000
Subject: Seminary Greek Requirements

At Luther Northwestern (Soon to be just Luther Seminary) at St Paul they 
require 6 credits of Greek (and 6 of philosophy) for admission. However, 
one can do an intensive summer course prior to entry if one has been 
unable to fulfill the requirements at the undergrad level.


From: BBezdek@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:39:09 -0500
Subject: Eph 2:8, "Faithfulness" 

   I made a post to this mail list regarding the question of whether or not
"faithfulness" was an appropriate translation for Eph. 2.8. In which I said
that It was, and that I thought "faithfulness" would be a better translation
for most occurances of "faith" in the other Epistles except
   Someone made a post asking me how "faithfulness" was appropriate in light
of the phrase "it is the gift of God - not of ourselves"   . So I offer this
in response. I deleted that post by mistake so I could not respond directly
to the question indivual.

It is by Grace you have been saved through FAITHFULNESS, and this not from
yourselves, it is the gift of God - not from works [your works, but from God
through Jesus Christ as Paul has just explained {1:6-8ff, 2:7] so that no one
can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ for good works [to
be faithful] which God previously prepared for us to do. [He prepared this by
means of his plan of salvation which Paul has just explained].

I find no dificulty in translating DIA PISTEWS as faithfulness in verse 8. I
think it is also apropriate for the aorist active particple PISTEUSANTES in
1.13. although it is difficult to put into
our vernacular, perhaps "having been faithful,"  And in verse 15 for PISTIN
 ". . .heard about your faithfulness in the Lord Jesus . . ."

"Faithfulness" is much more definitive in that expresses action.

Byron T. Bezdek (Tab)


From: LYOUNG@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:02:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Entry Level Greek Texts

For an entry level greek text, you might want to consider
_User-Friendly Greek: A Common Sense Approach to the Greek
New Testament_ by Kendell H. Easley (Broadman & Holman, 1994).
It retails for $14.99.

Richard Young
Chattanooga, TN


From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 95 17:36:18 PST
Subject: Re:  Eph 2:8, "Faithfulness"

   (Not quoting for UNIX reasons), Byron Bezdek argued that
dia pisteows in EPh 2:8-9 be rendered faithfullness.  If we are saved by
our faithfulness, then even if from God, we are saved by works, which the
context contradicts.  Furthermore, to be saved by faithfulness, makes
unncessary the Atonement and it suggests that all true believers live 
perfect lives since only perfect faithfullness merits NT salvation.
Thus, though semantically possible, the context and all of Paul's 
soteriology argue against the rendering "faithfulness".

Ken Litwak
EMeryville, CA


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