[B-Greek] IRom 1:0
Brent Hudson
brent at riveroflifembchurch.com
Sun Dec 21 21:18:44 EST 2003
IRom 1:0 is non existant verse. The passage is actually from the prologue. The full passage from the Loeb edition is as follows:
IGNATIOS, hO KAI QEOFOROS, THi ELEHMENHi EN MEGALEIOTHTI PATROS hYISTOU KAI iHSOU cRISTOU TOU MONOU hUIOU AUTOU EKKLHSIAi HGAPHMENHi KAI PEFWTISMENHi EN QELHMATI TOU QELHSANTOS TA PANTA, hA ESTIN, KATA AGAPHN IHSOU CRISTOU, TOU QEOU hHMWN, hTIS KAI PROKAQHTAI EN TOPWi CWRIOU hRWMAIWN, AXIOQEOS, AXIOPREPHS, AXIOMAKRISTOS, AXIEPAINOS, AXIEPITEUKTOS, AXIAGNOS KAI PROKAQHMENH THS AGAPHS, CRISTWNUMOS, PATWNUMOS hHN KAI
ASPAZOMAI EN ONOMATI IHSOU CHRISTO, hUIOU PATROS, KATA SARKA KAI PNEUMA hHNWMENOIS PASHi ENTOLHi AUTOU, PEPLHRWMENOIS CARITOS QEOU ADIAKRITWS KAI APODIULISMENOIS APO PANTOS ALLOTRIOU CRWMATOS PLEISTA EN IHSOU CRISTWi, TWi QEWi hHMWN, AMWMWS CAIREIN.
Brent Hudson
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On 12/21/2003 at 8:39 PM Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>At 7:03 PM -0500 12/21/03, <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca> wrote:
>>(According to Mounce's workbook, the following passage is from IRom 1:0
>>what ever that is.)
>>ASPAZOMAI EV ONOMATI IHSOU CRISTOU, hUIOU PATROS; KATA SARKA KAI PNEUMA
>>hHNWMEVOIS PASHi ENTOLHi AUTOU.
>
>Bert. would you carefully check the text and see if you've transcribed it
>correctly. The text may very well come from 1 Rom 1:0, which is to say, a
>non-existent verse. It doesn't really look in its present form like any
>Greek I've ever seen. ASPAZOMAI normally takes an accusative complement;
>hHNWMENOIS (please use only the N for Nu;it's confusing when you use
>sometimes V and sometimes N) without an article doesn't make much sense
>here, and PASHi ENTOLHi without an article is also weird--especially in the
>singular. Luke 1:6 has ... POREUOMENOI EN PASAIS TAIS ENTOLAIS ..., a much
>more natural Greek expression; for my part, I don't understand the
>expression hENOW PASHi ENTOLHi. Heb 9:9 has the genitive absolute
>construction LALHQEISHS PASHS ENTOLHS KATA TON NOMON hUPO MWUSEWS PANTI TWi
>LAWi, "after every commandment has been spoken according to the Law by
>Moses to the entire populace, ..." But "unite by/in every commandment ..."?
>I somehow don't think Paul wrote or would have written a sentence such as
>that transcribed above. I'd rather think there's one or two mistakes in the
>transcription.
>
>>I translated this as follows:"I send greetings in the name of Jesus
>>Christ, Son of the Father, according to the flesh and Spirit, to all who
>>are united in every one of his commandments".
>>The answer key has the following translation:" I send greetings in the
>>name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, to all who are united
>>according to flesh and spirit to his every command".
>>How does -according to flesh and spirit- belong to the recipients of the
>>greetings and not to -Jesus Christ, Son of the Father-?
>>I understand that the Son is not the son of the Father according to the
>>flesh, but I can't change my translation based on what I think it should
>>read.
>>Thank you.
>>Bert de Haan
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>Carl W. Conrad
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