[B-Greek] More basil questions.. AF hOU GEGONASIN ANQRWPOI TWi LOGWi

craig newsgroupstuff at swiftdsl.com.au
Fri Jul 2 12:42:05 EDT 2004


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arie Dirkzwager [mailto:dirkzwager at pandora.be] 
> Sent: Saturday, 3 July 2004 2:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] More basil questions.. AF hOU 
> GEGONASIN ANQRWPOI TWi LOGWi
> 
> 
> Craig,
> 
> You are right. AF hOU means "from the time when" or "since". 
> TWi LOGWi however has to be taken with SULLABWN and should 
> mean something like "in the mind", "in reasoning". The object 
> of SULLABWN and hAQROISAS is PASAN THN EUDAIMONIAN.
> 
> I hope you can now understand the translations you used. My 
> English is not so good that I would venture to make my own 
> translation here.
> 
> Arie
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. A. Dirkzwager
> Hoeselt, Belgium
> e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be

Thank you for the reply!

Okay, I just did a search of NT, and found AF hOU in a few places which seem
similar (eg Luke 13:25, 24:21, Rev 16:18). Should have done that before I
suppose!

Regarding TWi LOGWi, here are the two translations I have (should have put
those in before too..):

"that if one should estimate and gather together all earthly weal from the
creation of the world"
"that if one sums up all the happiness together from the time men have first
existed and collects it into one whole"

What does TWi LOGWi add to the meaning of the phrase, different to SULLABWN
on its own (as if TWi LOGWi wasn't there at all)? My guess is it is saying
something like "bring together with the reason" (= "estimate" or "sums up"
in translations above), perhaps kind of like arithmetic addition, as opposed
to a physical collection?

Would there be some other similar usages of TWi LOGWi that I could look up?
(Not that I doubt you, just for my own peace of mind, to get a better feel
for it myself!) I did a quick look in LXX and NT but didn't notice anything.


Craig Johnson
Brisbane, Australia 


 
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> Onderwerp: [B-Greek] More basil questions.. AF hOU GEGONASIN 
> ANQRWPOI TWi LOGWi
> 
> 
> I am having some difficulty with translating part of a 
> sentence from the 2nd chapter of PROS TOUS NEOUS hOPWS AN EX 
> hELLHNIKWN WFELOINTO LOGWN:
> 
> .. hOTI PASAN hOMOU THN AF hOU GEGONASIN ANQRWPOI TWi LOGWi 
> TIS SULLABWN KAI EIS hEN AQROISAS EUDAIMONIAN ..
> 
> The particular difficulty is with AF hOU GEGONASIN ANQRWPOI TWi LOGWi.
> 
> Basicly I have this: "that anyone who collected together and 
> gathered into one all fortune from ???"
> 
> I couldn't really notice an antecedent for hOU, so best I can 
> figure it is neuter in a general sense (Liddel and Scott on 
> perseus say this can happen in Attic; also has EX hOU as 
> 'from the time when', perhaps AF hOU is doing the same thing?).
> 
> So if I have "from the time when men came into being", I am 
> still not sure what to do with Twi LOGWi.. Is it 'by the 
> word'? In the two translations I found on the net for this 
> passage, there wasn't much hint as to what it did with TWi LOGWi.
> 
> More help for this novice please?
> 
> :-)
> 
> Craig Johnson
> Brisbane, Australia
> 
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