[B-Greek] TI in Gal 2.6
D Jongkind
dj214 at cam.ac.uk
Tue Nov 30 06:55:10 EST 2004
Carl W. Conrad wrote:
BDAG s.v. DOKEW
>>> beta: be influential, be recognized as being something, have a
>>>reputation (cp. Sus 5; 2 Macc 1:13. hOI DOKOUNTES (Eur., Hec 295;
>>>Petosiris, fgm 6 In. 58 hOI DOKOUNTES = the prominent dignitaries;
>>>Herodian
>>>6,1,1; Jos. C. Ap. 1, 67) the influential men Gal 2:2, 6b. A fuller
>>>expression with the same meaning, with inf. added (X., Cyr. 7, 1, 41;
>>>Pla,
>>>Gorg 472a, Euthd 303c hOI DOKOUNTES EINAI TI; Plut. Mor 212b DOKOUNTAS
>>>EINAI TINAS; Epict., Ench 33, 12; Herodian 4, 2,5; Philo, Mos. 2, 241)
>>>vss.
>>>6a, 9 (Pla., Apol. 6, 21b hOI DOKOUNTES SOFOI EINAI) ...
>>>
>>>In usages cited there we see the nominative of the predicate word when
>>>the
>>>subject of DOKOUNTES is nominative, the accusative with DOKOUNTAS
>>>EINAI.
>>>
>>>
>>Carl, would you happen to have a fuller quotation from Plut. Mor 212b?
>>This seems puzzling to me. I'm not sure why the accusative case of the
>>participle would dictate that the pronoun would also be accusative.
>>============
>>
>>
>
>I'm sorry, Steven. I have just checked anew as I recall checking at least a
>couple times in recent years and can't find texts or translations of the
>Moralia of Plutarch (the Lives, of course, are readily available in Greek
>and translation at more than one site); I have found "Selections from the
>Moralia" in translation, but that lacks the standard reference-numbering
>used by LSJ and BDAG and I have no idea which of the many essays in the
>Moralia this text may be in. I'm forwarding this to Jeffrey Gibson who has
>access to the TLG CD-ROM and may be able to find that reference with little
>difficulty:
> Plutarch, Moralia 212b
>My guess, without having seen the text in question, is that DOKOUNTAS EINAI
>TINAS is preceded by a verb requiring an accusative object, e.g. EIDON
>POLLOUS DOKOUNTAS EINAI TINAS ("I've seen lots of people reputed to be
>somebodies.") But let's see if we can find out in exactly what context the
>phrase appears in the text of Plutarch.
>
>
From Loeb's edition:
hORWN D' ENIOUS TWN POLITWN APO hIPPOTROFIAS DOKOUNTAS EINAI TINAS KAI
MEGALOFRONOUNTAS EPEISE THN ADELFHN KUNISKAN hARMA KAQEISAN OLYMPIASIN
AGWNISASQAI, BOULOMENOS ENDEIXASQAI TOIS hELLHSIN hWS OUDEMIAS ESTIN
ARETHS PLOUTOU DE KAI DAPANHS TA TOIOUTA
Regards,
Dirk Jongkind
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