[B-Greek] TI in Gal 2.6

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Tue Nov 30 07:48:23 EST 2004


At 11:55 AM +0000 11/30/04, D Jongkind wrote:
>Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>
>BDAG s.v. DOKEW
>
>>>>	beta: be influential, be recognized as being something, have a
>>>>reputation (cp. Sus 5; 2 Macc 1:13. hOI DOKOUNTES (Eur., Hec 295;
>>>>Petosiris, fgm 6 In. 58 hOI DOKOUNTES = the prominent dignitaries;
>>>>Herodian
>>>>6,1,1; Jos. C. Ap. 1, 67) the influential men Gal 2:2, 6b. A fuller
>>>>expression with the same meaning, with inf. added (X., Cyr. 7, 1, 41;
>>>>Pla,
>>>>Gorg 472a, Euthd 303c hOI DOKOUNTES EINAI TI; Plut. Mor 212b DOKOUNTAS
>>>>EINAI TINAS; Epict., Ench 33, 12; Herodian 4, 2,5; Philo, Mos. 2, 241)
>>>>vss.
>>>>6a, 9 (Pla., Apol. 6, 21b hOI DOKOUNTES SOFOI EINAI) ...
>>>>
>>>>In usages cited there we see the nominative of the predicate word when
>>>>the
>>>>subject of DOKOUNTES is nominative, the accusative with DOKOUNTAS
>>>>EINAI.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Carl, would you happen to have a fuller quotation from Plut. Mor 212b?
>>>This seems puzzling to me. I'm not sure why the accusative case of the
>>>participle would dictate that the pronoun would also be accusative.
>>>============
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I'm sorry, Steven. I have just checked anew as I recall checking at least a
>>couple times in recent years and can't find texts or translations of the
>>Moralia of Plutarch (the Lives, of course, are readily available in Greek
>>and translation at more than one site); I have found "Selections from the
>>Moralia" in translation, but that lacks the standard reference-numbering
>>used by LSJ and BDAG and I have no idea which of the many essays in the
>>Moralia this text may be in. I'm forwarding this to Jeffrey Gibson who has
>>access to the TLG CD-ROM and may be able to find that reference with little
>>difficulty:
>>	Plutarch, Moralia 212b
>>My guess, without having seen the text in question, is that DOKOUNTAS EINAI
>>TINAS is preceded by a verb requiring an accusative object, e.g. EIDON
>>POLLOUS DOKOUNTAS EINAI TINAS ("I've seen lots of people reputed to be
>>somebodies.") But let's see if we can find out in exactly what context the
>>phrase appears in the text of Plutarch.
>>
>>
>
> From Loeb's edition:
>hORWN D' ENIOUS TWN POLITWN APO hIPPOTROFIAS DOKOUNTAS EINAI TINAS KAI
>MEGALOFRONOUNTAS EPEISE THN ADELFHN KUNISKAN hARMA KAQEISAN OLYMPIASIN
>AGWNISASQAI, BOULOMENOS ENDEIXASQAI TOIS hELLHSIN hWS OUDEMIAS ESTIN
>ARETHS PLOUTOU DE KAI DAPANHS TA TOIOUTA

Thanks very much, Dirk--and it's nice to find one's guesses turn out to be
right: the participial phrase DOKOUNTAS EINAI TINAS qualifies ENIOUS which
is itself object of the participle hORWN--so we should expect the
accusative forms which we see.
-- 

Carl W. Conrad
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