[B-Greek] 1Clement 65:2

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Wed Apr 13 06:32:45 EDT 2005


At 9:03 PM -0400 4/12/05, <bertdehaan at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>One of the exercises from Mounces workbook is part of 1 clem. 65:2. It
>reads: hH CARIS TOU KURIOU hHMWN IHSOU CRISTOU MEQ' hUMWN KAI META
>PANTWN...TWN KEKLHMENWN hUPO TOU QEOU KAI DI' AUTOU, DI' hOU AUTWi
>DOXA,... QRONOS AIWNIOS APO TWN AIWNWN EIS TOUS AIWNAS TWN AIWNWN. AMHN.
>My attempt at translating this is as follows;  The grace of our Lord Jesus
>Christ be with you and with all...of those who have been called by God and
>through him, through whom to him be glory,...eternal throne for ever. Amen.
>
>(The disjointed bit at the end maybe due to my tranlation or it may be
>because of the missing piece.)
>
>My question is;
>Who does hOU refer to? And who does AUTWi refer to. (Or can't this be
>determined from the Greek text without context?)
>Any comments on my translation are welcome.
>Thank you.

The translation is literal and as accurate as this literal a version can
be; the question of translation is whether you might not prefer to make the
translation clearer than the Greek by adding, at least parenthetically,
referents for the pronouns that you recognize as being so unwieldy. Perhaps
this version will suggest some answers to your questions: I think that the
doxology is to God the Father but Jesus Christ our Lord is referred to as
the agent through whom the praise is to be effectuated and the call has
been effectuated--i.e. the DIA + genitive phrases refer to "Jesus Christ
our Lord":

"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ (be) with you and with all the ones
called by God and through (Christ), through whom be glory to God, throne
everlasting from everlasting to everlasting."
-- 

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
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