[B-Greek] AKOUW + gen/acc
Beata Urbanek
baurbanek at op.pl
Thu Apr 21 16:33:12 EDT 2005
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> On Apr 21, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Beata Urbanek wrote:
>
> > Dear B-Greekers,
> >
> > I'm trying to understand what other people (Wallace, Abbot, Thayer,
> > Friberg) say on the subject and I/m getting more and more confused.
> > Is there a difference in meaning between AKOUW with genetive and
> > accusative? (The difference being between: hear/perceive and
> > hearken/obey)
> > Of special interest form me are phrases with FWNH and AUTOU.
>
> The difference is actually simple: AKOUW takes an accusative of the
> SOUND that is heard or a FACt that is learned by hearing but a genitive
> of the PERSON heard. Unfortunately, the usage of Koine writers doesn't
> completely conform to this rule. You'd do best to consult a lexicon
> such as BDAG or LSJ to get some sense of what is most common usage and
> what is more exceptional.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad at ioa.com
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>
Thanks.
But what about FWNH? Why does it take genetive?
And what about hearing and listening distinction? I suppose thare is no
(strict) rule, am I right?
Sorry, that I'm asking again but I don't have access to any other books
where I live.
Beata Urbanek
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