[B-Greek] Luke 22:53

Bob Firth r.firth at ridley.unimelb.edu.au
Wed Oct 12 21:32:13 EDT 2005


Elizabeth Kline wrote:

>
> On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:59 PM, Bob Firth wrote:
>
>> A third undestanding (my own creation) is to take hAUTH ESTIN in
>> connection with the darkness, and the KAI connecting the two phrases
>> which are both modified by hUMWN, “but this is your hour and your
>> authority - darkness.”
>
>
> In your third suggestion I cannot reconcile your syntax analysis with  
> your translation. What do you mean by "hAUTH ESTIN in connection with  
> the darkness"? Do you want to make TOU SKOTOUS a neuter genitive the  
> predicate of hAUTH a nominative feminine when there are two  
> nominative feminines hH hWRA KAI hH EXOUSIA close at hand?

I guess so, which exposes the stupidity of my suggestion... sorry all.

> Your  translation doesn't reflect this.

I thought it would, but perhaps it only works when spoken, and not when 
read. I had inteded it to be roughly equivalent to “but your hour and 
your authority are this: darkness.”  However, as you point out, this 
cannot be right because of the genders of hAUTH and SKOTOS.

>> Alternately, ESTIN hUMWN might be understood to apply to both phrases,
>
>
> ESTIN hUMWN is not a constituent.

I'm not quite sure what a constituent is, but I assume that you mean 
hUMWN must refer only to hH hWRA, and not both the hH hWRA and hH 
EXOUSIA, could you explain that further?

Could you expand on what you believe to be the correct way of 
understanding this sentence, especially how the different parts relate 
to each other?

thanks for your thoughts,
Bob



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