[B-Greek] Jn 1:1 - Alternate Reading?

James Spinti JSpinti at Eisenbrauns.com
Thu Oct 5 16:35:07 EDT 2006


That is why I asked for a grammatical argument. Both of George's
examples were pro-Nicene, but they were not based on the grammar. So, I
would say that my challenge still holds. 

Do the pro-Nicene fathers or the pro-Arian fathers use the grammar as an
argument? That seems to be the foundation of all modern Arian arguments,
but the silence in the Greek speaking fathers is deafening... I still
contend that grammatically (and that is what we are supposed to be
discussing on B-Greek), Arianism was a non-starter in the 4th century.
It was a philosophical/theological argument--"there was a time when the
son was not." Not, the first verse (anachronistic, I know) of John is
grammatically indefinite, therefore the son is not God.

James

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> 
>  
> That's what that English translation of the ANF says, but if 
> Eusebius and  
> Irenaeus are quoting the Greek of John's Gospel, then the 
> same question arises  
> with respect to Greek John 1:1c:
>  
> Is it definite, indefinite, or qualitative?
>  
> And obviously, respected grammarians do not agree on this matter.
>  
> And I think that in quoting the philosophy of the ANF's, we 
> are letting the  
> theological horse ride out of the stall again....
>  
> Solomon Landers
> ____________________________
> In a message dated 10/05/2006 1:14:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
> gfsomsel at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> might note  that there is some question regarding Eusebius' 
> orthodoxy in that 
> he sometimes  appeared to support the Arian party, but here 
> he seems fairly 
> clear when he  speak of the "Word . . . which was  God."
> 
> george
> gfsomsel
> _________
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