[B-Greek] Heb 5:8 KAIPER etc
Craig J
newsgroupstuff at gmail.com
Mon Sep 18 09:23:16 EDT 2006
Hi Carl.
Thanks again for your response, but I'm still left clouded in my
understanding. If you will be patient with me for a few more comments and
questions...
> NA27/UBS4 punctuates 5:8 as a unit set off by commas:
>
> (5:8) KAIPER WN hUIOS EMAQEN AF hWN EPAQEN THN hUPAKOHN,
My NA26/UBS3 has slightly different punctuation for 5:8, with an extra
comma. Here is whole of 5:7-8 with NA26/UBS3 punctuation:
(5:7-8) hOS EN TAIS hHMERAIS THS SARKOS AUTOU DEHSEIS TE KAI hIKETHRIAS PROS
TON DUNAMENON SWiZEIN AUTON EK QANATOU META KRAUGHS ISCURAS KAI DAKRUWN
PROSENEGKAS KAI EISAKOUSQEIS APO THS EULABEIAS, KAIPER WN hUIOS, EMAQEN AF
hWN EPAQEN THN hUPAKOHN,
(BTW it has the sentence beginning at 5:5 and ending at 5:10. And whatever
version I have on e-sword also has another comma between PROSENEGKAS and KAI
in 5:7.)
> but at any rate, I think your attempt to link
> KAIPER WN hUIOS to what precedes rather than to
> EMAQEN ... hUPAKOHN is dubious.
I hear you clearly saying my suggestion is dubious, but if you will pardon
my dullness, I am still unclear why you are so dubious. When I looked at all
the other references I could find of KAIPER in the NT (Phil 3:4, Heb 7:5,
Heb 12:17, 2 Pet 1:12), they all had KAIPER linked to what precedes, rather
than something following. Is your doubt based on wider use of KAIPER, the
common English translation, some other grammatical rule, or just intuition?
Also, can you please confirm whether or not I am correct to see hOS of 5:7
as the explicit subject of EMAQEN in 5:8, or is the subject of EMAQEN
implicit only, and hOS is not directly associated with any finite verb?
Your help (or others') would be appreciated in helping me understand these
verses better.
Regards,
--
Craig Johnson
Brisbane, Australia
Blog Experiment: http://bloggledegook.blogspot.com/
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